At the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemiemia, the leading swedish government epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, denied that his permissive technique for controlling the spread of coronavirus was aimed at obtaining collective immunity.
Unlike other rich countries, in addition to its Nordic neighbours, Denmark, Norway and Finland, Sweden has not instituted a strict blockade. In late March, the government banned public gatherings of more than 50 people, adding theaters and sporting events.But the country has to allow bars, restaurants, number one schools and retail outlets to remain open, universities and colleges were closed, and others were invited to paint from home if possible. Some social distance regulations have been adopted, such as restricting the number of consumers at points of sale and offering table-only service in bars and restaurants.
Herd immunity is resistance to the spread of a contagious disease that occurs if a sufficiently high proportion of the population is immunized against the disease. At this stage, some other people are still susceptible but are surrounded by immune individuals, who serve as a barrier that prevents microbes from reaching them. Herd immunity can be received through mass infection or mass vaccination. Epidemiologists have converged on an estimate that 60-70% of other people will have to have been vaccinated or inflamed to achieve herd immunity against COVID. 19.
Although it did not explicitly adopt disease-induced collective immunity as a political objective, the Swedish government of public aptitude obviously expected the coronavirus to temporarily traverse the country’s population without overwhelming its health care system.If a sufficiently high percentage of Swedes became inflamed and cured, herd immunity would save you a moment from the disease.
At the end of April, Tegnell told CNBC: “In maximum portions of Sweden, around Stockholm, we have reached a plateau (in new cases) and we are already seeing the effect of collective immunity and in a few weeks we will see it.”even more effects. And in the rest of the country, the stage is stable.”By the end of April, the Swedish Public Health Agency projected that 26% of Stockholm’s 2 million inhabitants would have become inflamed until 1 May.”30% of Stockholm’s inhabitants have reached an immunity point,” Sweden’s ambassador to the United States said.NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO”. We may only have collective immunity in the capital next month.”
However, a May examination of blood tests in Stockholm found that only 7.3% of the city’s citizens had produced antibodies in reaction to coronavirus infection, which indicated that the country is still far from the 60 to 70 threshold, consistent with the cent threshold.
On 3 June, as COVID-19 cases in Sweden continued to increase, Tegnell told Swedish radio: “If we were to find the same disease, with precisely what we know today, I think we would be halfway between what Sweden has done and what the rest of the world has done.”At the end of April, daily COVID-19 deaths in Sweden peaked, but it was not until late June that the daily number of cases began to decline.
In late July, Tegnell said, “The epidemic is now slowing down, in a way that I think few of us would have believed a week ago.”He added: “This is actually another sign that the Swedish strategy is imaginable of temporarily curbing contagion with the measures we are taking in Sweden.”On August 8, the Financial Times quoted Tegnell as saying that “there is a date between the very immediate fall of recent weeks and increasing immunity in many parts of Sweden.”
Noting the recent drop in the daily COVID-19 case count, Tegnell observed on August 9: “It is difficult for us to perceive why precisely this happened at the time and why it was so fast and sudden.Array” Tegnell recognizes that the effects of antibody blood tests do not reveal that a sufficient number of Swedes have become inflamed and cured to confer collective immunity, as would be expected of epidemiologists.
So what can only the “fast and sudden” decline in COVID-19 mortality rates in Sweden?This is very speculative, however, the Swedish government of public aptitude could possibly have made an accidental mistake with collective immunity by combining extensive pre-existing T-cell immunity as opposed to coronavirus with differential dangers of contagion due to diversifications in social interactions among its inhabitants.
Let’s take a first look at T-cell immunity. Recent studies suggest that other people who have become inflamed with the maximum of benign cold-causing coronaviruses have also developed some immunity to COVID-19.
Two studies published in June, one through researchers related to the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, the other through researchers from the University Hospital of Tubingen in Germany, have known T cells reactive to coronaviruses, which are components of the immune formula that fights viruses.Earlier this month, a Science study noted that T cells that respond and fight COVID-19 coronavirus infections have been widely reported in unexposed people, suggesting a pre-existing immune reaction in 20-50% of the population.Existing Immunity against T-cell coronavirus among a significant proportion of the population can now serve as a barrier to COVID-19 infections, thus contributing to this threshold of 60 to 70%.
Now let’s take a look at how age cohorts and propensations for social interactions can reach the threshold.Science has just published a model study that calculates, based on various assumptions about population age structures and social contact rates, that the collective immunity threshold for COVID-19 can simply be as low as 35%.
In a pre-printing review on 24 July, a team of researchers linked to the Centre for Tropical Medicine and Global Health at the University of Oxford estimates that the immunity threshold for coVID-19 herd can be as low as 10 to 20%.In its calculations, the team assumes that the most susceptible or exposed Americans have a tendency to temporarily inflame and thus become immune at the beginning of the epidemic.Your upcoming interactions with others who are not yet infected will not lead to more cases.Basically, they say that the virus can be paralyzed by disproportionately preventing those that are most useful to it from contributing to its long-term transmission.
Oxford researchers apply their research in the UK, Belgium, Spain and Portugal and conclude that all 4 countries will achieve a threshold of collective immunity.
between July and October and the COVID-19 epidemic [will] be largely resolved until the end of 2020.In retrospect, we conclude that [non-pharmaceutical interventions] played a role in stopping the expansion of the initial wave between February and April Although methods of excessive maximum blockage would possibly not be sustainable for more than a month or two, they have proven effective in preventing excesses, keeping instances within the capacity of the fitness system , and possibly would have done so without affecting the progression of collective immunity.
The initial evidence of extensive pre-existing T-cell immunity and the speculative nature of these modeling studies remains in the brain, but combined, at least they recompose the option that Sweden is more or less inadvertently about to discharge collective immunity, and even more so, the end of the COVID-19 pandemic is also nearing for much of the rest of the world.
How has Sweden evolved in relation to its Nordic neighbours, who have selected more comprehensive interventions?As of 11 August, the COVID-19 instances in Denmark, Norway and Finland amounted to 14,959, 9,712 and 7,623, respectively; Deaths consistent with millions are 107, 47 and 60, respectively.In Sweden, the instances were 83,126 and deaths consistent with millions were 571, while in the United States, the instances were 5,265,034 and deaths consistent with millions were 503.
How has Sweden’s less vigorous adoption of non-pharmaceutical interventions affected your economy?Sweden’s GDP fell by 8.6% this quarter, compared to an average of 11.9% in the European Union.By contrast, Sweden’s unemployment rate rose to 9.8% in June, while the overall unemployment rate in the European Union is 7.1%.What about Sweden’s neighbors? The unemployment rate in Denmark is 5.5%; Norway is 4.6 consistent with penny; Finland is 7.9 consistent with the penny, while the US economy is 7.9 consistent with the U.S. economy.But it’s not the first time It decreased by 9.5% in the current quarter and our unemployment rate at the end of July by 10%.
Ronald Bailey is a science correspondent at Reason.
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Since when is respect for the freedom and rights of its citizens a “travesura”?What a dreadful selection of words. And yes, Sweden has done the right thing regardless of its mortality rate: it did not turn its country into a police state and did not abuse the public’s powers of fitness to quarantine everyone as if they were sick.I don’t care what your mortality rate is., it’s the right thing to do. I was under the impression that respect for freedom, even in spite of costs, is something that libertarians have applauded in a government.I guess I’m misinformed.
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I wouldn’t overbuke the American mistake, I was with them when they gave it to them in Berlin in 1917.
yes, his plan worked as planned. Because it was a smart plan.Because that’s how everyone has treated these kinds of diseases all the time until six months ago.Sweden deserves to be a style for everyone to follow, not because they had a brilliant and intelligent plan, but because they didn’t lose.its and not that other things matter yet not to contract this specific virus.
Collective immunity is at least 60-70%: Sweden has recorded 70-90% of deaths than its neighbours and because they went down early safely due to early closures, they are not doing worse economically than Sweden and are now booming.
This is not based on expectations or projections, but on the latest fact-based study: “A new study, published in the Journal of Royal Society of Medicine, suggests that Sweden has achieved only 15% immunity, with 40% expected until May 2020.The country showed more cases of COVID-19 and deaths than other Scandinavian countries, who put a blockade in March.
Sweden’s attempt to discharge collective immunity is an epic failure …deaths, without economic benefit, still dealing with a pandemic crushed by Denmark, Finland and Norway months ago.
Really, how did those padlocks magically save you from long-term infections?
It’s a virus that infects people. Colds and flu have spread to Aboriginal populations WEEKS after everyone on board the shipment had infectious periods.
The locks have won and will. There’s collective immunity.That’s all.
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But since the mortality rate is 0.043%, you’ll need to be a complete sociopath or a full brake to shit across the economy as a treatment.
And its politicized reference does not have the magical procedure by which the final and “safe” opening magically builds the immunity of the herd.
It’s practically teaching a liberal. This year he proves it.
“But since mortality is 0.043%”
I’d like to see the numbers on the units.
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Forgot to move the decimal?
It depends on how the mortality rate is described.I suppose you use the total number of deaths divided by the population.500 consistent with millions is 0.05%, which is in range.
Of course, we’re done yet and that’s going to increase. It’s not enough to move a decimal point, you wait.
I think the numbers are hugely inflated. My neighbor who works in palliative care told me that the deaths of palliative care patients in the same way he brought more cash from the government.The State Journal just published an article about the Covid.No one in the state under the age of twenty has died. Twenty years died of covid cancer as a contributing factor (but indexed as a covid death). All children under the age of 50 who died were morbidly obese (100 pounds or more overweight).and 90 accounted for the majority of deaths.
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Yes, it never happened. The nonsense of the foil hat in COVID’s death simulation because it is supposed to pay more cash from the government is a lie.The truth is that the deaths are thousands HIGHER than the official count.This can obviously be seen in the “excess mortality statistics” by 2020 compared to previous years.
If you have one for that, that’s fine, I’ll listen to you.
Excessive deaths can be anything, like other people avoiding hospitals or driving delays for the first time in months.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/12/us/covid-deaths-us.html
“Excessive deaths can be anything, like other people avoiding hospitals, or driving delays for the first time in months.”
It doesn’t look that way. We already have mortality statistics dating back decades.We know that there are a fairly constant number of Americans dying every year (expanding the adjusted population, of course).There are no big spikes in car accidents, cancer deaths or central diseases.mysteriously you see that 200,000 more people die from March to today than the annual average, it is a very strong case that the cause is any abnormal occasion that has occurred that coincided with that moment, than in this case to Covid.to the number one and secondary reasons of death due to things like wars.An average of one million people a year die each year in a given country and after the war began, it rose to 1.5 million, which is pretty certain assumption that the war caused 500,000 more dead, directly or indirectly.Especially if after the occasion, the dead return to their long-term trend.
“Thousands, ” huh, what happened to the “millions” who crossed us out in April?
Spanish influenza has claimed 500 million lives.We’re even a million still. This virus has even caused a million deaths.
Do you sense how fucking stupid you are? Go and consecrate suicide (and that doesn’t mean going out in public without a mask; obviously, it probably wouldn’t work).
The overall rate of death from all causes in the United States is only higher than last year.
Yes, this may be just one component due to the coronavirus. It may well be due to: an aging population, older baby boomers training the age when other people have a tendency to start dying, some old random variation, or a mix of all of these. factors.
Even if you have provided a reference for these “excessive deaths,” this is the ultimate silly attempt at logical inference.According to this measure, since divorce decrees are pronounced on the day, the sun will have to cause divorce.Just because you can locate a correlation doesn’t mean there’s a cause, and pulling secondary conclusions based on a correlation requires a specific type of stupidity.
“It is vital to note that coronavirus disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all deaths in which the disease caused or is believed to have caused or contributed to death.”- CDC tips
The CDC urges inflated numbers.
Turns out you check your prejudice … A neighbor who runs in palliative care does not perceive a useful statistic.It’s nothing anecdotal. There’s more to the exaggerated government-related story that will pay more cash for Covid’s patients.And there’s the trfin development of other people dying of Covid at home, not in the hospital.In addition, very often, other people who die of Covid-19 have comorability and/or a complex age.This has been known all the time. They cannot be told especially when it was Covid who took them to the end of their lives, not to their morbid state.
In this case, I am involved with the population that contracts COVID and dies from COVID.
I’d stay with those who have contracted COVID and then die for it.
Not really. Connect to meet Calvinius on August 15, 2020 at 8:44 p.m.
The lockouts have defeated this virus in several countries.Because if other inflamed people don’t have anyone else to transmit the virus to, the virus disappears, that’s how it worked.That’s the very concept of quarantine.
No, they didn’t; every time one of those “blocked” nations even thins a hair, some other user becomes infected.Vietnam has shown that it now has a strain 3 times stronger than the original.
It’s a coronavirus, there’s nothing that can be done at this point but settle for it eventually being given some form.
The virus has not yet been defeated anywhere.At most, progress was temporarily suspended. Immunity or eradication are the only two tactics in which a virus is defeated.Neither collective immunity nor vaccine immunity exists anywhere yet and as long as it exists in the world, it has not been eradicated.reading anything besides your favorite blog and paints critically about its logic.
Not according to the NIH, the most recent virus attack in China:
Efficacy of quarantine formula severe outbreak of acute respiratory syndrome in Beijing, 2003
“Conclusion: Only others in direct contact with SARS patients deserve to be quarantined.The overall quarantine charge for SARS prevention could be reduced by 63% if the quarantine program were limited to this group.No evidence was found that the SARS patient” was infectious during the incubation period.
Absolutely!
This is what my wife and I have been echoing for over 6 months.
People stupidly forget about viromes. Thinking that if you cover this mouth / nose, eyes and ears in public, they will not rise to the 380 billion viruses that they already provide in their bodies and in that of all adults on the planet.
Wait, I’m giving too much credit. Unfortunately, there are still many who have no idea what viromas are.
No, not them out of ignorance, hypochondria, concern etc., CECI is “that”
A virus that mutates more slowly than the common flu.
Ignoring the MILIERS of other viruses to which our body is exposed and absorbed into our bloodstream every year until the day we cease to be.
Although attempting a lucid verbal exchange with a true believer is useless.
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Come back in a year and see what it looks like.Other countries will revel in new outbreaks or have to remain locked up and isolated.Judging things over those daily numbers doesn’t make sense.Immunity is the answer. A vaccine is intended to provide a sufficient point of immunity to eliminate the virus.Exposed is the only way we are quite obliged to paint.So far, it has served all respiratory epidemics. This time it’ll work.
Exactly. Take New Zealand, praised among all fans of the world for its low death toll and low infection rate. 100 days without any network transmission, its borders sealed.
But a few days ago a new cluster emerged, unrelated or apparent contact with inflamed people, there have not yet been deaths and the numbers are minimal: 49 active instances and 1 hospitalized user, is a population of five million.
What about the government’s response? Auckland, which has a third of the country’s population, is placed in a Level 3 blockade, which is necessarily an order at home, and the rest of the country is updated to point 2.
It’s the crazy yo-yo mentality that comes with border sealing and almost zero immunity in the population. So how does NZ reopen its borders? This is the case, and tourism and foreign schooling account for more than 20% of the economy.
They put a lid on the box without removing the lid, and they lack time and money, either very borrowed.
Exactamente.La blocking strategy is that you have to be VERY committed to it for YEARS.
I bet they sent some doses to other unintentional people on the other side of the river.I mean, clearly, this virus isn’t working as expected.The heads are likely to turn to the darpa and black operations.divisions to which we pay part a billion years.
three teams generate collective immunity. Recovered (antibodies). Robust (reject average viral exposure without disease) and deaths.We may have just overcome this highly contagious virus, which is rarely fatal in mid-June.
Maybe, but if we had done that, the deaths would have been millions in the United States and tens of millions around the world.This “rarely fatal virus” had a higher mortality rate than Spanish influenza in 1918-1919.the disease occasionally suffers permanent damage to the lungs and center.
You say “maybe” and then you counter that confirmation point with the little CDC gibberish.
‘This’ rarely fatal virus ‘has a higher mortality rate than Spanish influenza in 1918-19’
Taurus.The CFR for Spanish influenza that we saw in 1918-1919 is in diversity from 6 to 8%.You claim with a general lack of evidence that COVID-19 is superior to that.The CDC puts the CFR, estimates in the percentage part.
If you need to dispute here, don’t make false statements, but use valid arguments.For example, CFR makes virtually no sense as a whole.CFR varies widely between demographic data, especially age teams.One of the defining facets of Spanish influenza was that it hit young people more than the elderly.So you can’t even compare the same teams without exposing how stupid it is to do it.
Another valid argument would be that an epidemic or pandemic, the CFR has gone meaningless because it varies greatly due to a lack of adequate and meaningful knowledge.It is a fact that our existing “death count” is dead when calculating a CFR with a CDC stated that they included suspicious and suspected cases, as well as any deaths classified as such, even if the actual cause of death was a car accident, a shot or a policeman kneeling over you.From a point of view, it is unbearable and means that you cannot get useful and reliable research on it.
You can also argue that CFR doesn’t make sense because it’s not cooked and not similar to IFR – Infection mortality rate.It’s a much more similar figure to what a break counts, but even then, we still can’t calculate it.as it should be.
These are moderate and valid arguments to make. To claim that COVID-19 has a CFR greater than 9% is absurd and absolutely unsustainable.What you’ll probably see (I say this because I saw the claim) is trying to take a look at the overall death rate of Spanish influenza in 1918, which is just about 3% (average, some knowledge recommends twice as much) of the planet’s total population.But it is not a CFR or an IFR; In fact, to get such a high GMR, you want a much higher CFR/IFR because the maximum of other people may not get infected.
Just to be clear: the overall mortality rate (everyone, just infected) of the Spanish flu is upper than the estimates of the case law rate of COVID-19 of more than an order of magnitude.
To put this occasion into perspective: it caused a marked minimization of the human population of the Earth in a few years.To date, nothing has caused this since then, not even World War II.Not only that, but the life expectancy of others.people born over the years has been reduced from thirteen to 41 years.
If you think COVID-19 is near the point of the 1918 Spanish influenza epidemic, you don’t see it either.
Locks are deliberate/intentional efforts to cause a global collapse of economies and enough for any existing country that has not crashed to help the rest, forcing everyone to reboot the system. This will allow those looking to force scenes to reshape the environment.global in a true global where all countries are subject to a vigorous non-married organization.This organisation will be based in the EU. At first glance it will look like representative government, but below it will be controlled through unelected bureaucrats, and will also be used to advertise a mandatory global vaccine that will come with a pc chip on the excuse that it is mandatory.to monitor the status of the infection, but will gradually be replaced by more.
Are you crazy enough to do anything about “a vaccine with a pc chip”?
Do you notice that the flea under the skin is a genuine thing?It is already used not only with animals but also with humans. It will be related to the covid vaccine and will be sold as needed to monitor the degrees of infection in the populations. Unless there’s too much Retrospective or reuse just to buy in covid’s marketing campaign, they’ll drive this chip.Why do you think he pushes Covid when he’s obviously not as damaging as expected?
It’s not a tab, a virtual bookmark.
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It’s always scary.
Sweden is even close to enjoying herd immunity. Those who recommend that they engage in illusions. Achieving herd immunity through exposure means maximizing the number of deaths.
Really?
So there’s going to have to be a ton of 50-year-old Swedes, healthy, non-pre-existing old men who die left and right of the rona, right?
False.
Achieve collective immunity consistent with exposure that maximizes the number of deaths in a given set of spread restrictions.
There is nothing, in terms of definitions or conditions, that says that a 20% infection rate constitutes collective immunity.There are many diseases for which only about 20% of the population is subject to departure and “maximizing the number of deaths” never exceeding 20%.The immunity of herds for these populations would be less than 20%.
“Sweden is even close to enjoying collective immunity.”
Exactly how do you know?
And what are the values needed to confer collective immunity against Covid-19 on a given population?
60 to 70% is for virtual immunity. That’s not what we want, we just want low transmission rates so we don’t overwhelm hospitals. That’s it. That’s a much smaller number for that. It is a virus without blood. You are not going to eliminate it like smallpox.
And as one test after another shows that about 50% of other people have some kind of existing immunity, that 70% becomes 20%, which we see in the real world.
Sweden has larger and foreigner cities than its Nordic neighbors, so it makes sense to compare them to Germany, Belgium, Spain or England.When you do that, his mortality rate looks pretty good.Outside of urban areas, Sweden resembles its northern neighbors.
Sweden had fewer deaths than the maximum of European countries – in fact, less than countries with the worst blockades – and the scenario in Malmo or Gothenburg more in line with that of Denmark and Norway; Stockholm more in song with London.
“Collective immunity is at least 60-70%”
No, it isn’t. This estimate is based on a poor model that, if assumptions were explained, even a fifth grader could report the error (here’s the big problem: undeniable models that conclude at 60-70% assume a homogeneous combination of the population.classifier would require an explained “homogeneous combination”, but that is obviously and manifestly incorrect).
1/ There is growing evidence that T-cell immunity allows populations to reach herd immunity once only 10-20% are infected with SARS-CoV-2.
This would explain why a highly transmissible virus in densely populated areas peaked at 10-20% infected regardless of lockdowns or masks.
— James Todaro, MD (@JamesTodaroMD) August 10, 2020
1 / There is growing evidence that T-cell immunity allows populations collective immunity once only 10-20% is inflamed with SARS-CoV-2.
This would be why a highly transmitted virus in densely populated spaces peaks at 10 to 20% of inflamed Americans regardless of locks or masks.
Sweden has an upward mortality rate consistent with that of the United States.I don’t know what a “good” plan looks like, while neighbouring Denmark is much lower and has had a smaller economic impact than Sweden.We also deserve to take a look at New Zealand, Vietnam, South Korea and Japan as models for mitigating a pandemic.The countries you know have really shown the most.
Yes it is.
They weren’t wrong. They did the thing.
Yes, maybe they didn’t seek collective immunity compatible with se, but they didn’t either.
If I go hiking on the mountain and come up with a passld vein, did I make a mistake or is it just a satisfied coincidence that I was there in the right position at the right time?
What bothers me in Bailey’s word selection is that it portrays this symbol of the Swedes who invented all this during the time they spent, executing a blind plan until they recklessly got to this situation, but it’s probably the opposite of what happened.
Sweden’s plan was well thought out and based on the evidence they had. I assure you that rather than being wrong, Tegnell spent much more time downloading knowledge and responding to this emergency than other people like Bailey, who would call them gaffes.
In fact, which one has the biggest mistake?
The Swedes took the calculated resolution not to block, and kept it month after month, despite scary models claiming they were killing millions of people, making only small adjustments to their strategy.
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Nations and states that locked everyone in their homes, opposed masks, then forced them, opened grocery stores, but banned the sale of home renovation products, lifted their bans, then panicked and placed them in their place, while converting their Message from Flatten.The Curve, to stop the spread to wait for a vaccine!
Who are the gaffers again?
“They are surrounded by immune individuals, who act as a barrier that prevents microbes from reaching them.”
All this time, I used that stupid layer of macramé when I was deployed for Medicare Secret Service protection.
There are many other people here who wear genuine diapers on their faces to catch anything that comes out of their mouths.
Speaking of experience,?
Sweden has no collective immunity. They’re not even close to that, and their style is a miser.
At what point did the government intervene to save you from a mass death, John?Which of the post-September 9/11 government movements did you approve?It was only 3,000 dead and it wasn’t contagious.
Never, Tony, you coward.
The death threat from COVID is 0.043%, while children under 65 are 0.0055%.
Even if it’s 10%, the government doesn’t have any fucking challenges to get involved.
Nor would it be to decrease that 10 consistent with a hundred and 100 below 15% because the government’s responses to ongoing incidents are universally shit.
Unfortunately, this disease affects humans and only leftists.
At some point, the numbers start to matter, right?Ignoring a pandemic virus for the first time in fashionable human history would result in millions of deaths.If it’s your policy, shut down and go away and avoid seeking to impose your “freedom.””about me.
I asked John what Bush’s counterterrorism movements he supported.All or most of them?
Pure numbers don’t mean cat. The percentage of the population is dumb.3 million people die each year in the United States.
So what’s the quarter of a million here and there?Let’s go back to how your tax rate is so unfair!
How many more people are allowed homicide for potentially [X] other people?0.5X?0.9X?
A quarter of a million corresponds to 10% below 1 deviation.There’s a fucking overlap between those other dead and dead as a result of a Covid fool.They are not independent populations.
“Ignore a pandemic virus for the first time in fashion history” Are you saying that locks have been used in past pandemics? We’ve had a few in the last hundred years and I’m pretty sure it’s the first time we’ve locked ourselves away.
The so-called Spanish flu sued him on a large scale, and millions of people died anyway.None of this has happened to COVID.
Now, make a coffee and compare your life with what you want to form an opinion on the reaction to the pandemic founded on the politician you certainly support.Ask yourself if you’re feeling smart about yourself accordingly.
The so-called Spanish flu sued him on a large scale, and millions of other people died anyway.
Hey, a new, highly communicable mistake kills millions of people, and then, in a year, it becomes a smaller strain that still kills between 25 and 70,000 a year, but we don’t block ourselves for it.
“The so-called Spanish flu sued him on a giant scale, and millions of people died anyway.None of this has happened to COVID.”
I mean, it will come back in 2009.Even COVID-19 is not comparable to Spanish flu/swine.COVID-19 killed a little more than the 2009 epidemic.Who else needs to guess what else was going on in 1918?I gave you a great lead, and that’s also why it’s known as the Spanish flu.
If you think COVID-19 is comparable to the 1918 H1N1, you don’t know much about one or both.
“Ignoring a pandemic virus for the first time in human history would result in millions of deaths.”
Therefore, influenza pandemics of 57 and 68 are known as “modern human history”, because they involved any significant government activity to respond to them.
“Ignoring a pandemic virus for the first time in human history would result in millions of deaths.”
Oh seriously? Like when we locked up swine flu in 2009 … wait until we lock ourselves up, don’t turn away the economy, close much of the economy, close schools and force ourselves to paint in masks, even in their own home for some we haven’t lost millions either.
Oh, you have to say the 1968 pandemic … hmm no, we didn’t panic about that either and we didn’t lose millions Oh surely the 1957 pandemic – no, millions were not lost despite the lack of lockdown, closure from sectors of the economy, hidden orders, house orders or a similar theater.
Our entire pandemic response/salvation formula is based on type A influenza, and more particularly on the 1968 H2N2.We know, and through “we” I come with the CDC, that you can’t prevent the spread of one more virus.than a few days at most productive if you have enough prophylactic antivirals and can apply them to other “good” people at the “right” time.
Once you sense that our entire formula is designed to be able to be hit like we did in 1968, it makes sense to know why it was so ill-prepared and with a corona virus.We have literally various strains of frozen influenza to be thawed for use in the progression of a vaccine opposed to a new virus.But guess what doesn’t look like this situation when it’s not a flu virus.
That’s why we keep hearing about a vaccine and why CDC focuses on a vaccine, that’s all they know and have been trained for.Even then, it didn’t work very well in 2009, God, this is the same.one that hit us in 1918.Yes, the same. It’s important.
This is vital because young people are the most susceptible to it.But were schools universally closed? No, some local spaces have, but even at the state level, we haven’t noticed any big closures.What we saw was moderate “stay home if you have symptoms” than panic.We had about 500 to 600 schools closed by this pandemic, the most dangerous for school-age youth.
Of course, the CDC had superior “estimates” for its worst case: about 40% of the unemployed workforce.So it’s not like other people didn’t panic in 2009.be overexploited. But they weren’t, and they came out here with a greater capacity.
If you need to go through history, the fashion history of the pandemic says that we have strayed and that deviation has helped us.
These percentages are absolutely false, sociopathic liar, multiply them by one hundred and get closer to the brand.
False.
Would you make the same argument if Ebola went to the United States?Or would you adopt the libertarian strategy of “letting it break because the government is worse than death”?
If there is one point, and I’m sure that’s the case, that’s when the disease is more harmful to society than the alternative.I see how this virus can be more harmful than the reaction to society.”
Are mass death and a depressive economy less disturbing than wearing a mask?
Ties dressed in mask coupons had the same transmission rates and even higher mortality rates (NY/NJ) as counties that did wear masks.
Until April of this year, it was not a single organization if fitness in Western societies supported the mask costume for a virus.He’s not at all firm.
I agree it’s for, but the medical government acknowledges its mistake at first and is now consistent with its recommendations, and it’s because of the data, even if they lack firmness, that they exist.
I don’t know why I have to make things not true just because you need them to be true, be lucky that it’s just a mask and we don’t have to close factories or put you in a bubble, a disease can just happen that does just that, and will it also spread positive talk?
“Be lucky it’s just a mask and we don’t have to close factories or put it in a bubble.”
Who is this “we”? State worshippers?
By the way, looking to do this in the long run is how civil wars can begin…And I don’t need that!
If the bubble doesn’t enter, he’ll die and his young bubbles won’t use the inherited arsenal he’s spent so much love on.
Never an Ebola epidemic. You’re a viral magnet with your petulant childish conception of freedom.
Tony is hilarious much more than chemjeffs or white knights
I have a stone that helps keep tigers away.Science-based Tonyism
@Tony, companies have been forced to close.Millions of other people have lost their livelihoods and jobs.
“A disease can happen and do just that…”
Yes, there are very likely to be worse viruses than this in the coming years or decades.It’s not a single virus in a century. There will probably be a maximum of a new similar virus next year.
Are we going to do that every year? Governments have set the bar incredibly low.How can we plan for the long term in this “new general environment”?
They gave it to me. I hope other people are smarter than me.In fact, the Obama administration worked on it and threw it all away through Trump.
8000 other people die every day. This is not a massive increase in mortality.There’s so much more to do than dress up in a mask.Many positions still limit other people’s activities.Thousands of corporations have failed because they have been prevented from operating.Millions of other people are unemployed and have few perspectives It’s shocking how many other people can see this and say they value it.
As this article shows, others who take action without any government mandate will continue to depress the economy, because other people tend to be careful not to be in terrible health or to die in a terrible way.
What about the deaths we’d have without action?If we had fully introduced this with public measures, you would be here saying that none of these measures were necessary!
The argument that we forget a pandemic because, hey, death happens, I’m not convinced, as you’ll really understand.
“As this article shows, others who take action without any government mandate will continue to depress the economy, because other people have a tendency to be careful not to be in terrible health or to die in a terrible way.
In this case, your argument in favor of government-imposed blockades is so bad.
“As this article shows, others who take action without any government mandate will continue to depress the economy, because other people have a tendency to be careful not to get terribly ill or suffer a terrible death.
Shit! It’s already integrated into the economy. We deal with it on a giant scale every year, and no one thinks twice.Of course, most people worry about staying in poor health, but they don’t just prevent them from doing business.The global does not prevent… NEVER under authoritarian regimes. 30 to 50 million other people in the United States get the flu every year, and we keep doing it because we do….If you’re in poor health like shit or poor health, you’re at greater risk.It is only a component of the world in which we live and this concept that society can avoid the traps that have existed since the dawn of time is foolish at first sight.
The funny thing is that despite the statistical odds that a given adult will have flu every 4-5 years, I haven’t had it in 25 years, apparently statistics recommend that there’s an organization of idiots who never be informed who has my share.They MAY die because of it and before reproducing.It’s an herbal way to leave old people, the chronically ill and the stupid blank.
“At what point does the government interfere to save you from a mass death, John?”
At what point does the government intervene and save leftists like you from publishing lies?
Let’s see how intellectually righteous you are.
200,000
Now tell us, in terms, how that number got out of his ass.
Well, now we want forced training and nutrition camps.It would save many more lives.
Welcome to the Democratic Party, comrade. We will arrive at the training camps in due course as soon as we face the Republican catastrophe.
So satisfied that you nevertheless admit that you are an authoritarian who is not at large.
Also, not all cars globally exceed 25 mph.
No, you won’t. The Democratic Party, of course, likes authoritarian control, but it doesn’t really want to cross the line and start making other people healthier [or richer], despite their claims to the contrary., unemployed and frightened, because that’s the only explanation for why others stay.A free, satisfied and healthy electorate does not wish to be governed or has GovDaddy, and feels interference.
Or is it just a fact on the floor that Michelle Obama can’t get other people to eat more veggies without the Limbaugh lemmings having an outright apocalyptic panic.
So much tension for those obese people.
Hey, Tony, are you old enough to have lived the Jerry Ford swine flu?The government’s reaction has killed and wounded thousands of people.Swine flu took on VIDA.
When the government comes to help, your wallet and your gun.
I experienced Obama’s swine flu pandemic, don’t you forget?No? It’s better to have other people who are proficient in speed than to burn jumps.A modest assumption.
The pandemic Obama ignored for 10 months as the virus spread through population?It’s not as fatal as the CDC first claimed (they’re very wrong), the death toll is not luck.
Literally, nothing you said is true. Obama declared a public fitness emergency even before a single American became inflamed.
And yet my sister’s marriage went as planned, even though she was in poor health with the virus and her husband had just healed.
Strange.
“Literally, nothing you’ve said is true. Obama declared a public fitness emergency before a single American was still infected.
Well, either you’re ignorant, or you have an extraordinarily sesained, lazy memory, you’re too lazy to control yourself, or you’re lying.
The public fitness emergency was declared on April 26, that after the CDC publicly displayed instances as of the 17th, and that’s when they announced the confirmation, we had it at least in March.The first case diagnosed with H1N1 in 2009 in March: https://www.hingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/21/AR2009042103694.html
It’s been at least a month since Americans inflamed before Obama declared a public fitness emergency.Even on the day of the announcement, the press talked about the 20 cases shown that they were aware of.
About a week after Obama’s statement, we had many known cases in about 3 dozen states, once again, this shows that we were already on fire on the 26th.Initial reports went to Texas and California because of their origin in Mexico and their similarities.with the flu variant that is already running through our swine population.
Once we started explicitly searching elsewhere, we found out he was already there, and we knew it before Obama made his statement.
Complaining about you, John, but I wish the Don had the courage of the swamp dwellers’ reaction to this crisis.Wuhan’s flu would now be a remote memory.
I also find it funny that they have “deceived” themselves through the undeniable approach of allowing everyone to obtain it in a controlled manner.Given the immediate devastation that the closures only had late infections (they didn’t even avoid flattening the curve) in the United States, I can say they didn’t “make a mistake.”They headed straight for the rebel wave.
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You are right.
Because many elected (and elected through the UN) are taking too much credit for their new strength.
Sweden’s mortality rate is even higher than that of the United States.I have no idea what you’re a porrist. You have no idea what a police state is.You deserve to avoid abusing the term because you have no idea what you’re talking about.you have friends who come from real police states, and if you live in the West, even under this pandemic, you have no concept.
Or perhaps Emperor Newsom and his ilk have intentionally rejected this choice in favor of an acquisition. We have sacrificed control of our lives and the maximum of our economic activity to this incompetent organization known collectively as the “ government, ” and anyone who has read even a minimal history of the 20th century deserves to know perfectly well that * not just anything * smart comes this. And we did it as a result of a disease that infects many of them and turns out to be doing genuine harm to a few; So far, it still hasn’t killed 1/10 of 1/2 of 1% of our population. After more than 6 months of draconian controls, followed by a slight remainder of those controls, there is an accumulation in the infection rate, accompanied by a drop in the mortality rate. The reaction of governments is to create controls, which, in experience, has only caused emerging infection rates to decline as scheduled. At one point, we were told that the controls would be removed after “the curve flattened out”; it now appears that they will be lifted after the defeat of Eastasia. At least some of us are embarrassed by the lack of outrage at such an inauguration, and I was not the only one calling for riots in the streets on the first day Newsom made the decision that he was a dictator, thus deciding when and in what situations. . we can leave our country. prisons. It bears repeating that this take was accepted through us as the result of a disease that is highly contagious and turns out to cause genuine harm to a few; So far, it still hasn’t killed 1/10 of 1/2 of 1% of our population. The way forward and out of this crisis imposed by the government is advised through the technique of Vaclev Havel (“Post War”, Judt, p. 568): “… The purpose […] deserves to be to act with autonomy, be it whatever the regime tries to impose on him; live * as * we are indeed free … ”Regardless of CA’s“ gestapo mask ”, I wear a face cape when I have to enter a business and nowhere else; any dirty look gets a smile in return. No, they won’t review me, because it seems like any check is good for, oh, a week or two at best. Nor will I adhere to any “tracking” system, regardless of any claim of confidentiality. I just watch to act as if the global is rarely controlling the aspiring tin dictatorship lately; If that means a price ticket or a prison for my actions, I’m your man!
I wish I’d lived in a network of people like you, Sevo.
Are you a contributor to any of the L’tarian organizations? If so, post a new comment on the back in the hope that we can get this “community” to do something about it.My hope is IJ; The explanation for why it’s insignificant here.
Bravo, my friend….
How can Sweden gain advantages from immunity, but not the United States, or even New York?The United States has had more known cases that match the user than Sweden.New York has even more, is it just that there are more cases in the US.But it’s not the first time And New York that hasn’t been detected, or are there more people in Sweden with T-cell immunity?
Known instancesArrayArrayArray original instances. Sweden has never panicked.There were no other healthy and asymptomatic people who rushed to be tested as in the United States.The media has feared so much that the average American thinks 30 million more people in the United States have died.
But we know that only 0.8% in Sweden and 1.6% of the U.S. population have COVID-19.It is an exaggeration to say that the actual figure exceeds 30%.
Where do you locate your numbers? It comes in 10% in May.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/just-7-per-cent-of-stockholm-had-covid-19-antibodies-by-end-of-april-study-sweden- coronavirus
Johns Hopkins: https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/tree/master/csse_covid_19_data/csse_covid_19_time_series
Does not come with estimates of antibody studies; these are just cases shown.
So let’s get back to my initial answer.
If you extrapolote to 0.1% of cases known as 7.3% inflamed at the end of April to today, this suggests that about a part of Sweden had COVID-19.I suspect the evidence is greater than that, extrapolation.And the lack of 98% of cases at this point is outrageous.
I suspect the component of the response to me is that New York has achieved collective immunity.
I suspect the component of the response to me is that New York has achieved collective immunity.
New York City is extraordinarily close, as some community antibody studies have exceeded 50% and a significant number of citizens have moved to less infested areas.
I place it extraordinarily that New York (and its suburbs where I live) is still in panic mode 100 percent when we’ve almost actually been through the worst.Our worst hospitalization screenings for an autumn wave (totally unreal as schools remain largely closed) point to a peak of 50% below the April peak.People look back.
The pitcher threshold for hearing immunity is lower than initial projections because initial models and transmission rates were much higher than reality.
If only a small% (or even that) have become seriously ill, I would not be surprised if the cases shown were less counted through a thing of 10 or more. Many other people simply will not be tested. next time you get the flu or no blood. I don’t want the CDC to call me into my business.
I think there’s a good chance I’ve had it before and I’m being checked out.Then I saw how other people are treated positive, and I said fuck.
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Sweden does not carry out controls as rigorous as those of the rest of the world; actually, they only control other people if their health is bad enough to justify a stop at the doctor/clinic.
Given the HUGE number of mild and asymptomatic cases in the first few months, none of which have been tested, the “recovered” numbers are much higher.
View online discussions and Facebook groups; The poultry network across the country is the birth that a lot of rural chickens felt terrible in February, breathless and lost their taste, their doctors blown them away.I’d be curious to know if other communities were also born to see those stories
It is also helping Swedes not to lie absolutely about case rates, for example, death in a car t does not count as death by covid, and 1 user tested 10 times does not equal 10 positive cases of covid
Sweden’s mortality rate is approximately 0.33 in New York City (but similar to that of the United States despite a decrease in the number of cases).Someone deserves to spoil the knowledge of death to get closer.
New York sent other positive people back to nursing homes.That’s a big difference.
However, they say that 6,000 of the 30,000 deaths have occurred in nursing homes.
One of your clues about who cheated on their numbers …
“Someone deserves to spoil knowledge about the deaths so they’re close.”
The CDC’s existing report on major deaths shows that across the country, excess deaths are precisely where our national figures imply that we are in favor of COVID deaths.The only state that remained seriously underestimated was New York (in the link below, they have New York and the rest of New York as points of knowledge).New York has fewer reported deaths by about 10-20%, and you can see how, in the knowledge, many of those deaths, such as dementia or diabetes, are most likely to be caused by COVID.
Oops:
I forgot to upload a link to where cdc knowledge is available, however, it seems that I have to write a lot more text to pass its spam filters, which is funny, given the amount of spam I had in this thread.to report.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Do you locate it that doesn’t publish the popular deviation from year to year on this chart?
And I’m saying this because you claim there’s no overlap between those who would have died this year without covid and the excess deaths that may have happened, which is ridiculous.
Like what…
The annual mortality rate for more than 70 cohorts is around 13%.Mortality rate above 70 for cohorts?9%.No overlap?
You say we suddenly have a 22% mortality rate for others over the age of 70, to 13% normally.In fact, it’s a huge leap.
This has never happened on Earth.
You’re more than SPB, and that’s something.
I’m pretty sure New York is here, probably not at the overall immunity point of the herd.But enough so there won’t be any more primary epidemics, that’s all that matters.This virus will not be eradicated, but it will become widespread and no more worrying than the flu, I just hope it happens as soon as possible.
Exactement.Si NYC is still vulnerable, someone would have introduced a momentary wave.The virus does not have enough hosts to keep the network extended there.
As long as the mask and social distancing persist, it will take a long time.
MITIGATION RETARDE collective immunity, in social and economic damages.
That is your genuine plan.
https://en.as.com/fr/2020/05/18/other_sports/1589796373_875369.html
What a title!
Sweden has followed the collective immunity plan, with Johan Giesecke, the country’s leading former epidemiologist and qualified worldwide advising the World Health Organization, calling the strategy “the most productive in the world.”
Because the narrative is not supporting.
I said, “Unintentionally.” I don’t think that word means what Bailey thinks it means.
Ouaip.Et don’t want collective immunity. It is enough to infect networkers while aggressively protecting the vulnerable (elderly and obese).Once the networks are immunized, this is enough to slow down the spread and flatten the curve.with padlocks is that other people stay in the house; this is where the virus is highest, it is likely to spread, while if young people can go to school, the elderly have a few hours a day to enjoy the rest of the space without being put in also regarding this hysteria about “Wear a mask when you pass out”, other people deserve to wear mask at home with their elderly and obese!
The other people I’ve met online who press harder with arrest warrants and locks admit they do very little for other vulnerable people in their lives.It is only a cynical and hypocritical policy to prolong and exacerbate the pandemic for political purposes.
Once the networks are immunized, this is enough to slow down and flatten the curve.
It’s synonymous with collective immunity, but you don’t care, you have your own special race of stupidity to move on.
Not quite either. I believe that herd immunity has two meanings: there is a point where one virus (or another) will die due to a lack of hosts; I think that’s the 60-80% point other people are talking about. the herd you’re talking about (which I think is literally all we want for the epidemic to end) is probably 20-30% of what I’ve read on the subject.
To this.
But since deaths in Sweden have dropped to near zero, the media is touting that no one has ever gone to the point of having poor immunity to make Sweden a failure.
There is one meaning:
a relief from the threat of infection with an express communicable disease (such as measles or influenza) that occurs when a significant proportion of the population is immune to infection (such as past exposure or vaccination), so vulnerable Americans are much less likely to have an infection.come into contact with inflamed people
The only criterion in the letter and brain is for sensitive populations to remain solid (i.e., less likely to become infected). Whether you’re passively successful at 80%, if it’s the task you can put it at 40% through yourself.-quarantine, or if the government actively controls keeping it at 20%, the definition makes no distinctions.
And this assumes that it is a myth used to combine statistical noise into known and unknown factors.
And that assumes that it is not a myth used to combine statistical noise into known and unknown factors.
That is, there is a lot of play in the definition and it is a reference to flattening when a curve approaches an asymptote.Few infectious disease curves adhere strongly to a given sigmoid curve without further turning points.It is not transparent that group immunity is very different from saturation or just noise.
Well, other people seem to use it in the other two directions.I probably wouldn’t talk about whether it’s a genuine meaning or not (there are other dictionaries).
however, there are dictionaries
I am aware that there are other dictionaries. None mentions criteria such as percentage, death of the disease from lack of hosts (many indigenous diseases) or the end of a pandemic; In fact, neither explicitly speaks of any stability or minimization in the rate of contagion (although the two main or consistent criteria may be discounted are that, 1) some other people are inflamed and 2) other vulnerable people cannot contract the disease.
I’m aware that dictionaries exist.
My exposure to the definition of the manual is that it is only a shortcut to why each disease does not infect or kill each individual and, once the definitions become mathematical, it becomes redundant with other variables and factors.
Well, personally, I prefer to use your manual definition. It seems that the other is not something that happens unless in very rare cases like smallpox, but only the result of an undeniable model.
The meaning of “group immunity” taught to me in the 1970s is simply the phenomenon that the spread of a contagious disease within a herd is less than could be predicted if only the individual immunity conferred through a vaccine that is only partially effective is contemplated.
In other words, it’s not a criterion. You can’t imagine whether a herd enjoys “collective immunity” on the basis of safe figures.While many are vaccinated with a vaccine that is only partially effective, the herd is immune.
Right.
The calculation of collective immunity and immunity to vaccines is different.
As human beings, we move in incredibly small circles, and those circles touch circles in very few positions and those positions are repeated over and over again.Everything reduces the numbers.
The simplest calculation used with vaccines is that the user gathers the day.We don’t. That’s not how humans work.
I have tried to point out that 20 to 30% is good, and I was relieved to hear Dr. Gotteib repeat that figure.
People I know who impose hidden arrest warrants and lockdowns have earned unemployment benefits and taxpayer-funded stimulus checks, house paintings, or paintings for the government, and have not lost a penny of their taxpayer-funded wages and benefits while they remain in the home.do nothing. But now that layoffs and vacations are the food chain and that “temporary” restrictions have permanent consequences, I am interested to see how much non-public suffering the well-thought-out sheep are willing to tolerate.It’s very easy to call other self-centered people who need to make a living when they’re comfortable and not in danger of wasting everything.
Otherwise, state and municipal controls will begin to recover.That’s when this blockage will start to subside. Teachers and other officials will ask that the economy be fully open.Of course, it depends on whether the federal government rescues states.In that sense, I’m optimistic.
Unfortunately for most, this is the other aspect of “doing nothing.”I’d rather they stayed calm and sat down, but we’re not so lucky.Those I’ve met have an end to spreading on the Internet in I’m looking for pitiful stories, blog posts and memes, and then I broadcast them with the fervor of a cult leader who predicts the last few days.I had the thrill of seeing some of them usually reach the end of their struggle monetaryly and intellectually to become the users they recently thought of as the worst people on the planet…those who have to decide between running and being thrown over their moralistic ass.
At the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemiemia, the leading swedish government epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, denied that his permissive technique for controlling the spread of coronavirus was aimed at obtaining collective immunity.
Did I miss the quote for that statement?
Why did I quote your former epidemiologist leader differently?
J: Tegnell’s refusal to seek collective immunity was widely reported from the beginning, more suspicious than other people felt that this might have been his implicit plan (secret?) From the beginning.In any case, I have now added some links to previous reports on this issue.
You know there are email leaks from his non-explicit public statements, right?
https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-emails-anders-tegnell-johan-giesecke-herd-immunity-coronavirus-1524847
I guess it’s Ronnie’s no.Why use the number one evidence when you can use a previous media narrative?
I don’t think Ron likes you.
No one likes Jesse, with his ‘research’, his ‘facts’ and his ‘deductive reasoning’.fuck off.
So, a white supremacist?
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Ron, and many other clinical writers, have been absolutely exposed through their global warming policy and virus.They have the ability to review real knowledge and draw conclusions without recognizing the narrative of HSH.
Hack everything.
I read those emails and it doesn’t look like your strategy was to achieve collective immunity.Instead, I read them as granting collective immunity as the only thing that would eventually end the spread.His strategy was more “How are we going?to manage the spread “and calm the public, than “How to get to collective immunity as temporarily as possible.”
It was not so much a plan to achieve collective immunity as to allow collective immunity, which is a fairly fine but perhaps useful distinction.
the only plan to temporarily discharge collective immunity would have been the Covid festivities.It’s silly to pretend it’s a trap.
Swedish state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell is a “common sense” strategy for forced lockdowns.
I love how Newsweek has placed spooky appointments around the non-unusual sense, when the common sense technique for a public fitness emergency is to achieve herbal herd immunity as temporarily as possible, as long as the overall count of hospitalized patients does not interfere with life-saving medical responses.. The government has the power to live, not to save the disease.Especially when the disease saves health it interferes with other herbal rights such as freedom and employment.
Are there the main media outlets involved in the full bread (dem) narrative?
Does Newsweek use “common sense” quotes when talking about gun control?I stopped them 50 years ago.
In the instant! Obviously, I don’t forget when flattening the curve was the strategy, and then temporarily it became endless and changing government restrictions that we’ve been forced to suffer since March. Preventing infections and diseases is an unrealistic and unreasonable goal.are more than 11,000 this year, with double digits and on track to surpass the last highest year in 1999.There were two shootings on my block a few steps from my door. On the other hand, I don’t know anyone who died of coronavirus and only two other people who might have been in poor health (they live in New York but have never been tested) in April and have fully recovered quite temporarily. One is black, about 60 years old, immunosuppressed with diabetes and had a central attack and mild stroke last year.To be fair, we say it will survive us all!
the virus can disproportionately collapse preventing the most useful ones from contributing to its long-term transmission.
Even the virus lives in ‘idiocy’!
“Nice stay”
Or did they follow genuine science, not political science?
Enforcing human rights on the basis of herbs is a mistake.
This is precisely the opposite of what Sweden has done and that is why it has been more affected than the rest of the Nordic countries.
Perpetual locks for some and miniature Swedish flags for others!
Sweden deceived collective immunity to COVID-19?
No, because there’s nothing accidental about what they did (or didn’t do), or “screw-ups.”
Although they do not explicitly adopt disease-induced collective immunity as a political objective, the Swedish government of public aptitude obviously expected the coronavirus to temporarily traverse the country’s population without overwhelming its health care system.If a sufficiently high percentage of inflamed and cured Swedes, The immunity of the herd would save you a moment from the disease.
So they didn’t have it as a political objective, but their plan was put in place as if they had.
Or more, they admitted that this is the only logical conclusion of the disease.They can simply block and manage the epidemic after the outbreak until herd immunity is reached, or they can simply use voluntary compliance measures to stem the epidemic enough to avoid overwhelming the population.System.
So his strategy wasn’t to get collective immunity, because that would happen no matter what.His strategy was to make sure this didn’t come with a suffocation of command and control of the economy.
everyone, everywhere, will end up in collective immunity.
Vaccinate?
I’m going to live or exist or something like that … It’s a g.d virus. cold
No, this is probably “cold virus” madness.
CO-ld VI-rus D-isease-19
No, there is a different term for “vaccine immunity.” ????
Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? It’s the sound of collective immunity.
1 The Oracle lied.
“Wow! I know WuFlu.”
Oh, they didn’t do anything ‘accidentally’. The virus burned there, just as it did in the northeastern United States and soon in the solar belt.
That’s ALWAYS your strategy.
You had to know this was going to happen in favor of the Swedes, but no one would ever admit it.
Wait until autumn passes, early winter.Sweden will look wonderful for its neighbors to do so.I’ve been saying this since April.
New Zealand is easy white.
All will be fine as long as we keep all Americans infected.
Good luck preventing nerds from deciding to spend their holidays in Middle-earth.Mordor’s trail is not going to walk on its own…
Not until his economy becomes a burning giant.
yes, everything is so short-sighted. The numbers are now irrelevant Where will they all be in 6 months or in a year?Sweden will end this and the rest will be with padlocks and masks.
if u
That the goal
This concept that Sweden will wipe out the virus is a natural magical thought.They have collective immunity. They’re even close to collective immunity.
You’ve made a mistake and you’re still wrong.
You deserve a shotgun in your face.
Did Sweden make a mistake in collective immunity in COVID-19?
Non.La Sweden made a mistake in being far from close to collective immunity.
Sidd Finch was wrong about some other stupid comment.
Well, then we can go back and avoid sowing the concern of democrats and their boot-lickings.
Oh, of course, now that Bernie is out of the race, you’ll be more like Sweden!
In any case, Sweden was never as Sanders described it.
Sérieusement.Si Sanders wanted us to look more like today’s Sweden, would be in favor of very strict immigration, not “birth citizenship,” comprehensive culture and language tests, rigorous immigration raids and deportations, elimination of the minimum wage, trade tax relief, refusal to settle for refugees who have passed through the country to get there (and send them back to this first “safe” country).Array and more.
I’m the Bikini team.
Take the Oresund Toget from Copenhagen to Malmo and tell me what the woman looks like.
Professional tip: it’s not Sweden.
Did Sweden make a mistake in herd immunity in COVID-19?
I know what it’s like to lose. Feeling so desperate to be right, but fail nonetheless.It’s scary, turn your legs into jelly. I’m asking you what purpose?Temerlo.La immunity is still coming. And now he’s here.
Lol His immunity is there. Not even close.
Not even close.
You even know that.
Thank you for that, it’s highly appreciated.
Any questions if I can impose myself a little more?
Your statement.
At the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemiemia, the leading swedish government epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, denied that his permissive technique for controlling the spread of coronavirus was aimed at obtaining collective immunity.
And tilt the quotes from your links
He has also said that it would be smart for the Swedish population to discharge anti-disease immunity, even if they are categorically refused to seek “collective immunity.”
Tegnell denies that his specialty is “collective immunity,” insisting that he needs to flatten the coronavirus curve to make sure the Swedish fitness service copes with it.
You’ll realize what I did.There are no direct quotes about collective immunity.
And it doesn’t even mean that “the main purpose” is that another animal “was the target.”
Is there a direct quote from him that says this is not an end point?
And thank you for the understeer that this would possibly have been a secret goal, it provides a useful idea.
Damn it, it was an answer to Mr. Bailey.
It’s a background. Read the filtered emails.
One way or another, the media only intends to condemn Sweden for not locking things up as sane countries, and they do not point out that California now leads the cases shown despite the earliest and closest locks and maximum rates of compliance with masks.
Because CA has more people than any other state.TX and FL are not far away in the cases shown, even though they perform fewer tests and have a smaller population, and have particularly more cases that match 1 million people more than CA.
To maintain everyone’s transparency, this article explains why the Swedish style, so far, is a transparent failure compared to similar countries, and is even more of a failure than that of the United States.
Unicorn farts can replace all that.
“To be transparent, this article explains why the Swedish style, so far, is a transparent failure compared to similar countries, and is even more of a failure than America’s.”
The last one’s the one that thinks of us, shit.
It’s a failure in a way. I don’t think it’s a smart move, the number of other people who died depends on a lot of points and many have nothing to do with the effectiveness of the government’s response, they have succeeded in other tactics and I think time will show that they have acted despite everything correctly.We’ll see.
Deaths per capita seem not only to be a smart measure, but the best.
Of course, deaths are not the only negative end results of this disease.Millions of others will have complications for life.So “everyone gets the disease” will be almost by definition the worst approach imaginable.
The game is over and many countries will suffer much more, not Sweden.
The fact that Sweden will no longer suffer from the disease is a natural fantasy.Contrary to the misleading name of this article, they have no collective immunity at all.
Your dating is a natural fantasy. At least save what you write.
Okay, so why shouldn’t we just ban all harmful optional activities, impose masks, social distancing and hand washing and permanently ban giant restaurants, bars and gatherings, ban alcohol, tobacco and recreational sex, and require passports between states? other diseases that kill tens or thousands of people a year and many activities that cause unnecessary accidental deaths. If all it deals with is the death rate, why doesn’t it apply to all other causes of death?
Because omb
Our illustrated higher education institutes do not truly prohibit sex for recreational purposes, they only advise you to wear masks over time.The frat boys applaud this “automatic path to the base of the moment.”
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/students-at-university-of-georgia-encouraged-to-wear-masks-during-sex/
Exactly that. And you have to think that the lockdowns led to more preventable deaths because other people were not seeking care in a timely manner (the CDC in 82,000 deaths of which at least 2 and 5% are not related to COVID and a European study that seems that for 80 deaths from COVID, there were something like a hundred preventable deaths from cardiovascular disease). And those are just the immediate deaths. Oncologists expect us to see a significant increase in cancer mortality from 3 to 5 years due to months of delays in care and diagnosis during the pandemic. Not to mention the studies showing an increase in alcoholism that will also lead to latent fitness problems. We have long-term condemned one hundred thousand to save one hundred thousand now. And it ruined the livelihoods of tens of millions of other people, basically to make octogenarians a few years bigger. In fact, I don’t see the commitment. In Washington State, we continue to close our doors even though only 60% of our hospital capacity has been used SINCE MAY. All because the case rates are higher than the governor needs them to be. Surely this is stupid. If masking and social distancing are working, why is rarely everything open as usual with those measures in place? Why do we have a God complex that we want to save everyone from a herb virus? No one is concerned that we do not get the flu vaccine, even if we lose tens of thousands more, and that the death rate of other young people from the flu is higher than that of COVID. No one is freaking out for all the preventable reasons for death you’ve posted above.
Inslee is the worst. He sent the hospital back to APRIL knowing that our formula would be fine, but we’re still a plan or an opening strategy.Apparently, we’re just pausing until Covid disappears.
Because when you check to outline universal answers to control an entire counter, it becomes complicated.
You can greatly simplify this by worrying about an easy-to-measure metric and shaking everything else by hand.
The global has to be simplistic so you can assume that the government can solve everything, save everything, etc.
I mean, of course, it’s not a precept that reflects well in your local conclusion, but it makes you a scientist.
The correct measure is the number of years of life lost in line with the capita, deaths in line with the capita.
By country, you mean those that have compatibility with your story, right?
Do you have a bigger idea, or would you continue to play this ridiculous game in which Suddenly Sweden is the style government for relaxed market fundamentalists because, through some complicated means, you’re helping him suck Trump’s?rooster more vigorously?
Like this, shit?”‘ Sweden’s GDP fell by 8.6% in the current quarter, with an average of 11.9% in the European Union.”
Now I have quoted two other passages on how Sweden has obviously made it worse.So I sense that your GDP figure was 1% better.
“Now I’ve quoted two other passages of how Sweden has obviously made it worse…”No, he didn’t. You have selected EU rates as an indicator of the ‘economy’.This would possibly not be a planned lie; You’re probably so stupid you don’t understand.
“Well, I sense that the figure of its GDP was 1% better.”11,9% – 8,6% – 3,3%. A 3.3 percent build-up in the economy is a figure Obama has never controlled in reaching in eight years of effort, you’re lying, and in all of this you’re giving up the legal efforts and actions that will be required to save the government’s dead hand from our freedoms and our economy.I have no doubt that this is because, as it left, you are very comfortable in your lap and have little preference to get up.
Instead of panicking (thanks to media scaremongering) and politicians across the country seeking to enforce versions of padlocks, movement restrictions, closed businesses, Array … we deserve to have identified that this virus was going to pass through the population without import As soon as we identify who was most vulnerable to the worst effects of the virus, our resources deserve to have been used to protect them, instead we control to eliminate a percentage of businesses and jobs that we deserve not to have. and the scenario worsened.
Sweden’s open plan has only resulted in a worse economy than its neighbors.
“Sweden’s open plan has only resulted in a worse economy than its neighbors.”
Shitstain, your quote has fallen.
It’s in the article. Maybe you can read it before loading your Funyun inlaid cuffs on your keyboard.
“Sweden’s GDP fell by 8.6% this quarter, to an average of 11.9% in the European Union.”
Maybe you read the article, shit.
Tony would like to repeat the time of year. He’s too old and has a bad influence.You really don’t want that.
“On the other hand, Sweden’s unemployment rate rose to 9.8% in June, while the overall unemployment rate in the European Union is 7.1%.What about Sweden’s neighbors? The unemployment rate in Denmark is 5.5%; Norway is 4.6%; Finland is 7.9%.In the meantime, the U.S. economy is in the middle of a nuclear economy. But it’s not the first time It decreased by 9.5% in the current quarter and our unemployment rate at the end of July was 10%.
What do you think you’re looking to accomplish here?
Are these figures five or ten times the mortality rate?
“What do you think you’re looking to accomplish here?” I prove that you lie to each and every fucking message; EU rate – the economy.
“Are these figures worth five or ten times higher than the mortality rate?”Doesn’t your ass hurt when you pull out all the made-up numbers?
Did you abuse the “mortality rate”?
How about comparing Sweden to the most striking nations, Norway and Finland, rather than comparing them to Italy and Greece?
“How about comparing Sweden to the highest nations, Norway and Finland?”
“Obviously”? There’s a date missing.
If the existing instances in the United States are underestimated through a thing of five and the death rate remains constant, only 740,000 American citizens will have to die to succeed in the 3-5% infection-based herd immunity.
Some plan.
As long as one of the 740,000 is you, I don’t see what a victory is like.
Show the misek of the evidence.
Aside from math, shit, it’s going to be death.
Then none.
Like the deaths of Auschwitz?
Wrong conspiracy
yes, the millions of them conspired to be dead, right?
What he doesn’t know is that he’s punishing 330 million other people to save the other 740,000 people.There is no cost-benefit or backs up in your plan’s investment.
Life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness are for sale.
35% is far from being herd immunity. We would want at least twice as many, so if your assumptions about the numbers are correct in another way, we would want 1.5 million Americans to die.
“The collective immunity threshold for COVID-19 can be as low as 35 percent.
If you had the article.
Your immune system, the ultimate vital component of your body, has been designed to automatically create an immune reaction to any virus or disease and be stored for life.Of course, this opposes vaccines that are the synthetic triggers of immunity, but only when and if they work. This is contrary to Bill Gates and his preference to sell $1 trillion worth of vaccines to each and every user on earth…through force if required. A vaccine for a corona virus has never been created, and none are mandatory if you have a healthy immune system.There will be no vaccine that opposes Covid-19, and if any, it would be no greater than obtaining herbal immunity …in fact, it can be deadly.
Maybe I can get Ebola and start with collective immunity for that.
Our enthusiastic coward is back! Ramp in a hole and your bastard.Make the global a bigger place.
Says the coward so ashamed of his own that he hides in anonymity.
Hey idiot, who knows he’s already ashamed of it.
“Says the coward so ashamed of him that he hides in anonymity.”
Not at all embarrassed, but willing to give cowardly thugs like you more data than you have.Now about this hollowArray..
“You accused me of concealing my identity, and you’re right, I do”…
You’re a troll and an enthusiast and you show yourself to make ad hominem comments and you’re too cowardly to get up and be guilty for what you say.
Hidden like the scum you are, the Internet is your favorite environment.Hidden in the dark with the brightness of your PC screen.
fuck off.
This fanatical scum … Making the global a bigger place: Die.
Its immune formula has not been “designed” at all, it produces immunity opposed to ALL diseases and all immunity is not “preserved for life”.In the case of COVID-19, it appears that any immunity granted through the cure of the disease lasts only a few months.
Antibodies can last a few months. Immunity remains.
Sweden’s “crime” was to refuse/not swallow the WHO KoolAde/CDC that the rest of the civilized world bought.They had competent and mature leadership that used MEDICAL science than terrifying tactics, and plotted their own course of proportion.founded on genuine SCIENCE. Of course they do.It seems that they have won, while the rest of us have lost or are in the process of losing.
Any of you fucking article?
Says the guy who helps keep abusing the terms.
New Zealand, for example?
They closed the whole country at first with significant travel restrictions.Stay home for seven weeks. You have to quarantine yourself if you go.
Reaches a transmission rate of 0.
Certainly, New Zealand has some advantages. Geographical isolation Not the politician we have here.Small population.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025203?query=featured_coronavirus
But the ‘masks are tyranny’, the madmen who to claim that Sweden has been granted collective immunity insist that New Zealand is too vulnerable to reopen its borders.
“A transmission rate of 0 was reached.”
It didn’t last long, did it?
The maximum logical conclusions that can be drawn from the Swedish experience:
Social esttainment works and, to some extent, other people will implement security measures without a government mandate, but mandates lead to greater social estating, as expected, and Sweden’s relatively high level consistent with the capita mortality rate indicates that this is what we achieved based only on Americans who naturally replace their behavior a pandemic.
There are no financial advantages to capitalizing on your strategy. Again, even in the absence of government mandates, other people replace their behavior and the economy suffers.
Collective immunity for doing nothing, without a proportional mass death, is based on a number of satisfied circumstances, as presented in this article, to circumvent the fact that abandoning all protective measures in the United States would result in many more deaths than they deserve to be.appropriate for anyone, with collective immunity without a never-guaranteed vaccine, and the economy would possibly not even avoid falling off a cliff.
Pandemics wreak havoc. It’s just the bad libtards.
“His strategy had no economic benefit.” Bullshit.According to the article: “Sweden’s GDP fell by 8.6% in the current quarter, compared to an average of 11.9% in the European Union.”It’s enough that you’re constantly lying, annoyed by the apparent —————————————— lie.It is highly unlikely that you will avoid the fact that abandoning all security measures in the United States The states would result in many more deaths than anyone else deserves to be appropriate, …fact that you pulled this up your ass without any for this statement, —————————————– “… Pandemics hurt. It’s not just the bad libtards.Yes, and fucking ignorant leftists can aggravate the damage.
“As of 11 August, the COVID-19 instances in Denmark, Norway and Finland amounted to 14,959, 9,712 and 7,623, respectively; deaths consistent with millions are 107, 47 and 60, respectively.In Sweden, the instances were 83,126 and the deaths were consistent with millions were 571.»
away
Yes, it’s a failure so far.
How you are.
That’s right? Your hard shilling turns out to prove otherwise…
“As of 11 August, COVID-19 cases in Denmark, Norway and Finland had been 14,959, 9,712 and 7,623, respectively; deaths consistent with millions are 107, 47 and 60, respectively.In Sweden, the instances were 83,126 and the deaths were consistent with millions were 571.»
Did you get a point, or was it just a laugh to copy and paste?None of this has provided anything in the least to what you posted and called.
So why would you compare yourself to the EU as a total of the rest of Scandinavia?After all the nations that have entered this pandemic with demographic, geographical, climatic and economic conditions almost equal to those of Sweden.The strategy has worked, it is greater to compare its effects with Norway and Finland than with Italy and Greece.
It’s not over until it’s over, you idiot.
Good analysis. What Sweden has never benefited in part is because it is in a position for the virus, with mandatory health care systems in place, a population confident enough to adhere to government rules, and a coherent government message.
I don’t know how to prove it, however, it’s imaginable that those with T cells have never contracted the disease and therefore haven’t gained antibodies.Without T cells, these other people could have become inflamed and produced antibodies.In any event, this would have verified Tegnell’s earlier claims.Of course, there would have been more deaths, too.
This has been proven over and over again. Study after study, some of the blood samples taken BEFORE covid-19 gave the impression that they had responded to the virus.
Approximately 50% of others are immunized, meaning that the 70% needed for “collective immunity” is closer to 20%, which is precisely what we are seeing in the genuine world.
“Study after study, some of the blood samples taken BEFORE covid-19 appear to have reacted to the virus.”
This is not the case given our annual exposure to corona viruses.
One wonders whether comparing Sweden with other Scandinavian countries is about comparing apples and Sweden has naranjas.1.La greater domain of dense population (Stockholm and its surroundings) than any other country escandinavo.2.La Swedish population is older than other Scandinavian countries..3.La Sweden relies more on giant senior care services than in Norway, where other older people basically live in what we would call adult homes (Tegnell admitted that its policy of protecting those giant services, very exciting goals for COVID-19, may have been better.) Norway’s most sensible public fitness official said Tegnell’s technique was correct.I’m not sure Bailey has enough data to write an article on this topic.
A meeting with the Swedish Minister of Health. It’s very comforting to see a government official willing to admit what he doesn’t know.
Wow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh9wso6bEAc
It was an interview everyone sees.
Not with the idiots of our countries.
Dr. Tam, who has already resigned, said we might have to wear a mask for TWO years, even if there was a vaccine.
Be JARE AND PLUMED.
The same with Dr. Arruda in Quebec, who is arrogant about his mask orders after opposing them.
I don’t have one for public servants anymore.
For God’s sake.” He must have quit” and “suddenly he’s an idiot.”
How stupid are those idiots? Instead of saying we’ll monitor if those shit masks work, they’re compromised indefinitely based on BULL SHIT.
I’m in a position to protest.
I wonder and it doesn’t seem to find anything reliable on the Internet: what percentage of those who actually contracted the virus used a “tissue mask”?
The maximum term used and misunderstood on the Internet is “collective immunity”.
“Will voluntary self-isolation paintings be greater than long-term forced state confinement in Sweden?”There is much debate about the Swedish model of reaction to coronavirus, but there is an intelligent explanation for why a hippocratic political technique can bear fruit.NORBERG 4.17.2020 11:50 Reason Magazine
“SWEDEN ANNOUNCES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE MOURENT WITH COVID-19, WITH COVID-19.
“Even in a culturally and geographically similar country like NORVEGE, CELEBRATED BY YOUR MORT, Norwegians only tell something like a death through COVID-19 if a doctor concludes that someone has died from the disease and makes the decision to report it to the country.public fitness authority “.https://reason.com/2020/04/17/in-sweden-will-voluntary-self-isolation-work-better-than-state-enforcement-lockdowns-in-the-long-run /?utm_medium ? e-mail
We inflate the numbers, a doubt.
At the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemiemia, the leading swedish government epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, denied that his permissive technique for controlling the spread of coronavirus was aimed at obtaining collective immunity.
Let me introduce you to the concept that what government officials say and do is not coherent.
Of course, Sweden targeted “collective immunity,” that’s obviously what its policy designed for, and they didn’t hide what policyArrayBut, calling it “attacking collective immunity” would have been political suicide.
This is a smart article and if it is Sweden that manages to avoid a wave at the moment, the more strength for them.The challenge I have is for most people to communicate about Sweden’s less restrictive technique without acknowledging that Sweden has smart social protection and fitness care networks.That swedes accept as true with their government and follow the government’s recommendations.The same user who encourages the Swedish technique against coronavirus will tell you that we cannot have the Swedish fitness formula or its child care formula.were not similar in some respects.
“The challenge I have is for most people to communicate about Sweden’s less restrictive technique without acknowledging that Sweden has smart social protection and physical care networks.”
So your challenge is your statement: you report that you are married, and that you are over 18 years old; your messages otherwise.Always.
Good for what? Not the United States.
I don’t know what you mean here, what’s bigger in America?
There is no “second wave” based on herbs; any “second wave” is artificially produced through the locks.When the locks are opened, the virus reappears. It will continue to do so until everyone is exposed or sufficient as a buffer between the ones that has already had it (and is immune) and those who were simply not sensitive to it in the first position (crossed immunes, etc …).
You can’t help it: locks create and then prolong an agony that never had to happen in the first place.The result (overall mortality rate) will be the same independently.
Yes, the “wave” thing is the result of locking up healthy people.The circulating virus. That’s why I think the waves are misused here.
All you do is delay things and subject other people to stupid, bad-taste slogans like “wear a mask, save business,” “wear a mask, save lives” and “stay home, save lives.”
I mean, the fiery superstitious stupidity of all this daunting, disappointing and delayed.
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Residual self-image A-Reece
Sweden did not errores.se refused to participate in the fraudulent joke.
The concept of collective immunity proposed through a Baltimore epidemiologist in the 1930s before vaccination noticed a drop in cases after an epidemic, however, the disease as a total continued until large-scale vaccination was introduced.
It still exists, as some Orthodox Jewish communities have discovered that they have not been vaccinated.There’s an explanation for why. Models assume homogeneity in social interaction, which does not happen in genuine life.These communities have a tendency to be insular, so only a few cases are needed before they explode.Then contact with the rest of the world, some of whom have not been vaccinated, leads to even more cases like the ones that took place at Disneyland.of this was not found out, but probably due to the large number of foreign visitors.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm
The way to achieve collective immunity is effective mass vaccination.This would possibly not be the pathogen, and there is a challenge of genetic substitution because a new resistant strain would possibly occur.
The frenzy already has people. Dozens of trials are underway around the world, each with a different approach.There’s no big long-term judgment, so we don’t really know.Then, a long way to locate one that works and prick.enough needles on enough shoulders to have an effect.
“He saw a drop in measles cases after an epidemic”
Ronald Bailey avoids quoting statistics and models when he doesn’t know how to check its validity, if he did he would realize that most of his articles are speculations.
Make no mistake! They did the right thing!
This article was brought to you by a dumb idiot. History will judge the confined crowd as awkward, creepy fools.This is not the most productive time in journalism. The reason is a CNN contender.
Nations and communities that are content with the disadvantages of social esttachment, hygiene, masking, and business regulation to control the pandemic and save lives strengthen social ties among all, strangers will not forget their own sacrifices to care for others.
Then there are nations and communities that simply do not need to be disturbed to save the lives of their neighbors, it is evident what they will do and the legacy for which they left their youth.
But the Holocaust happened to you.
Kaka
Rob Misek August 15, 2020 at 8:44 pm “Jaja” accused me of concealing my identity, and he is right; I do it because left-wing shit, things like you can be dangerous, so I think I’d look for Rob Misek and you, you, the bully on the left, it also turns out you’re hiding your identity.do you need to pretend honestly? Do it yourself, you bigoted idiot.
You’re a coward and an incompetent too.
Do you pretend to be honest? Do it yourself, you bigoted idiot.
I forgot about that guy.
It’s so scary to think of your scarecrow.
“I forgot it’s that guy.”
yes, a piece of Nazi shit claims that the camps were “exhaustion stations” and that they simply couldn’t get the right dose.And then he claims that everyone who laughs at his idiocy is FALSE!Fanatical scum proud of him.
Yes, good news for humanity, however, it can be argued that our national healers do not have astonishing cognitive talents due to the other brain disposition of those who have a conservative regressive mutation, to be anything more than a competing hominin species.
Or, to quote the Swedes themselves:
“We are not a country infested with conservative bat insects of the right choice: meaningless jobs that cannot keep up with non-unusual maximum non-public movements to prevent the spread of the virus.”
Or to be sure we all know: Kuni: I’m a fucking left of shit, inventing all sorts of things my coca-coca-cola brain fantasizes about and publishes here !!!!Fuck you and die, you pathetic left-handed piece, sticky shit.
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Have you been paying attention?Log in to Reply arpiniant1 August.16.2020 at 9:03 am they stumbled into it the same way Italy and Spain did, by allowing high numbers of deathsit all looks great if you ignore the dead peopleLog in to Reply Sevo August.16.2020 at 10:23 am I see that lefty shits have a hard time with numbers.Log in to Reply Truthteller1 August.16.2020 at 12:03 pm The arrogance and condescension in this article is stifling. The lies and distortions are insulting. How dare Sweden approach the virus rationally.Log in to Reply Geeky Kunj August.16.2020 at 12:07 pm covid-19 is very dangerousLog in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.16.2020 at 2:18 pm Blundered? Is that the new buzz word? I’ve been listening to Dr. Tegnell since April (he was one of the view doctors who wasn’t talking like the world was ending and was clear the virus was here to stay and proceeded accordingly. Only we arrogantly thought we could micro-manage it) and it seems to me they had a better sense of how best to approach this than the rest of the world. They didn’t get swayed by those idiotic doomsday models that led to the lockdowns.I’m sorry but that we quarantined the healthy for the first time in history IS NOT sound strategy.If anything, we over reacting based on bad science. Sweden followed one hundred years of established virology.See. Here’s what I think. No one wants to believe that countries who embarrassingly locked down and then decreed idiotic mask mandates was OUTSMARTED by one tiny Nordic country who had the courage to not go with the herd.I’ve been saying since April Sweden will be smiling in the long run. What people aren’t putting through their thick skulls is that a) this is not a competition and b) Sweden will more or less be right in line with all nations except they will not have traumatized their citizens and economy. Ie they didn’t push non-dharma measures rooted in the precautionary principle. Healthy people were viewed as a threat to the population because of the asymptomatic angle that NEVER has been proven. They PRESERVED their civil liberties.Sweden followed the science. We copy/pasted and followed orders. There was never a justification for a lockdown. So we’re the ones who blundered. Not Sweden.I’m sorry but neglecting to point out 80% of Sweden’s (90% of Norway’s deaths were in the 70 and up group) deaths came from nursing homes (which they admitted they messed up unlike the incompetent cowards in NY/NJ/MI and other places including Quebec).NY, NY, Qc, Spain, UK, Belgium and Italy all had higher death rates than Sweden while France and Holland were slightly better.They all locked down except for Sweden. It’s true that Sweden did have more deaths even when you remove the nursing homes than their neighbours but don’t forget Norway and Denmark had a quasi-lockdown and they lifted it fairly early and never mandated masks.So one can logically conclude, the fact the lockdowns led to FAR more unintended consequences than not (which likely led to more deaths ie via suicides and lack of treatment and, well, we know the dance), Sweden was spared this.As for the economics, yeh well, a) part of their downturn was due to the drop in trade between all countries and b) they didn’t spend their national wealth on programs to basically bribe people into not rioting. Sweden didn’t play, another point in fact, the obscene ‘non-essential/essential game.I think on the balance they approached it with more reason and intelligence than we did in North America.And certainly better than NZ/AUS. What those countries are doing is appalling.Log in to Reply Tony August.16.2020 at 3:45 pm We do count the dead you know, so rather than just asserting that Sweden obviously had fewer deaths by other causes due to the lockdowns, why don’t you put up some data about it?This is not the first time in history healthy people have been quarantined. Ludicrous talking point you got from some asshole on a blog. Your civil liberties have not been infringed, except the liberty to put your community at risk, and you probably haven’t even gone to jail once for all the times you’ve risked their lives anyway. Get some perspective. Someone might start to think libertarians care only about their immediate trivial personal freedoms and nobody else’s right even to life.You wouldn’t need to make untrustworthy assertions if you didn’t tie your observations of the pandemic response to yet more tribal partisan nonsense. Stop being a monkey. Just read dispassionately. It might turn out that Trumpism isn’t the one true final philosophy of life, hard as that may be to fathom.Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.16.2020 at 5:56 pm It’s not a talking point. It’s never been done. Can you point to me from all the past major pandemics going back to Athens/Rome/Venice and most recently in the 20th century where we told people to stay home and not go to work? I don’t know of one. I know we quarantined the sick because, you know, that’s what you’re supposed to do, but to shut down an economy? Never been done. Worse, we told a specific portion of the economy to pay the price – ie restaurant and hospitality and small business. Major corporations deemed ‘essential’ stayed open.If you can’t see the evil stupidity in that, that’s your problem pal.Yes, Tony. I’m totally incapable of deductive reasoning and critical thinking from information available. I only read ‘blogs’ and then come here and repeat what others tell me.Man, you are one insulting clownThe point is, the lockdowns were a case of the cure being worse than the disease.This is going down as the biggest over reaction in modern history.Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.16.2020 at 5:58 pm Oh and government workers.They stayed home and got full pay while others had to starve and be thrown onto government programs to survive.Literally, all these officials can fuck off and die for what they’ve done.Log in to Reply Tony August.16.2020 at 8:12 pm Let me say that I understand the impulse to say we’re overreacting. That’s the paradox of public health response: if you’re doing it right, it looks like overreacting. Think how much more mad you’d be if we took even more aggressive shutdown measures and hardly anyone died.Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.16.2020 at 9:16 pm A bit of a fallacy.Anyway. I was fine with it for 30 days but then it got way out of hand. The second data started to improve (including treatments, deaths etc.) we should have pivoted.Instead we double downed.Log in to Reply Tony August.17.2020 at 12:54 am But we did pivot, and predictably cases start going up again. We are living the consequences of the pivot.Again, it’s not a fallacy, though it may appear counterintuitive, that things look like less of a crisis the more successful the efforts at containment. We just don’t have access to the universe in which, say, the last Ebola outbreak got out of hand, because we took the necessary steps to contain it.Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.17.2020 at 11:54 pm No we didn’t pivot. We had no choice because he lockdown was having a devastating impact through unintended consequences.The suppression theory is still very alive.Try and follow.Log in to Reply Tony August.16.2020 at 8:00 pm You’re just blindingly wrong. Of course most pandemics ended by killing vast numbers of people and leaving only the immune (Justinian plague, for example). By all appearances this is not only your policy preference, but you think it’s the best we can do.Arguably first time a pandemic was managed by quarantine was the Black Death. It wasn’t just the sick who were quarantined. In some places, ships were required to wait a month before letting anyone off to make sure that the people onboard were healthy.The Spanish flu, although it killed maybe a hundred million, might have killed many more if measures weren’t taken that look very much like current COVID guidelines. Public gatherings were forbidden, schools were closed, people wore masks.Your entire policy approach is to let the virus kill the maximum number of people possible. And you think that will be good for the economy.Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.16.2020 at 10:20 pm None of those examples were LOCKDOWNS.Throughout history the main approach was quarantining the sick.Venice and Genoa quarantining ships docking from Asia (for 40 days ‘quaranta giorni’) is NOT locking down. Commercial empires like those NEVER shut down because that was suicide.This thing of ‘saving everyone’ is not practical and in this particular case we would have been wise to isolate the vulnerable since we knew this virus (has that ever been proven by the way that it’s in fact a virus?) attacks the vulnerable. Nope. We hid the healthy and told people to cower and not earn a living.As for the Spanish flu, it’s ok to surgically shut down temporarily hot spots where there are outbreaks. Masks were disputed then as well (and never proven to work) and this is why scientists began to study their effectiveness. For decades studies showed their effectiveness to be inconclusive and I sure as hell reject the studies that came out during 2020 as they remain unpersuasive against the body of evidence of all the studies that came before it and right up to now.Again, you conflate this with the entire lockdown of an economy. It didn’t happen during the Asian and Russian flus.I didn’t realize people would just assume lockdowns are normal as you just demonstrated.Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.16.2020 at 10:20 pm Know what else Tony? We taught the worst possible lessons for kids.Log in to Reply Tony August.17.2020 at 12:51 am I’m not sure you’re not strawmanning. We haven’t once locked down the entire economy, and I have not advocated doing so.I would suggest that an economic slowdown is inevitable no matter how we choose to respond, and that the deeper and longer the pandemic, the worse for the economy. You have to take containment measures. It’s a false promise if anyone’s saying you can do otherwise.Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.17.2020 at 11:50 pm People were already retrenching and the economy was going to take a hit. But at least this was going to be organic and voluntary.What part of the government then stepped in to prevent people from working while playing ‘choosing who was essential and not’ don’t you get? This wasn’t a reasonable response but I was willing to drop it assuming they’d quickly pivot once they saw the destruction. Instead, it seems to be a ‘go to’ measure.Locking down, it could be argued, delayed herd immunity and could have made the pandemic go ‘deeper and longer’.Log in to Reply Bill Anderson August.18.2020 at 10:46 pm “The Spanish flu, although it killed maybe a hundred million, might have killed many more if measures weren’t taken that look very much like current COVID guidelines. Public gatherings were forbidden, schools were closed, people wore masks.”There were some other things going on such as, a little thing known as World War One (though we only later called it that). A lot of stuff was going on due to wartime restrictions, not the virus. For the few places that did have some closures, they were rather short-lived. ISTR the longest being a couple of weeks. Even in, IIRC, Baltimore where they got hit hard and fast (giggity) they were down and back inside of a week and a half and even today the drop in cases is attributed to natural push through rather than any distancing measures as those came “too late to matter”.Log in to Reply Echospinner August.16.2020 at 5:02 pm Funny how some people see this disease as a political national horse race.I checked the nucleotide sequence for Covid-19.I found this recurring.A U G CIt is clearly a codeAmericans U Go China!I knew they were up to something.Log in to Reply XM August.16.2020 at 5:15 pm Covid deaths inSweden – 5783 NY – 32,901One of them did not lock down completely and mandate masks, while the other won’t let you order beer to go without ordering “real food”.There are 10 million people in Sweden. 5783 deaths in that country means the nation barely felt the sting despite taking a completely contrarian approach in its covid response. And now they report practically no new cases and deaths. The fact that their economy is slow despite avoiding lockdown is only an indication of the crappy and insular European economy.They have more deaths than their Nordic neighbors, but the overall fatality is low, and if they got ahead of the herd immunity game, then they saved a lot of future lives.Why people won’t recognize Sweden as (at minimum) a cautious success story. That country never became Italy or New York despite playing out every anti maskers’ wet dream. Donald Trump probably said something nice about them. Oh and there’s the fact that these Nordic nations are typically ethnically homogeneous. We don’t want people to start connecting dots here.Log in to Reply Tony August.16.2020 at 5:28 pm Oh please do connect the dots. How are black people at fault for this one?Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.16.2020 at 5:49 pm /looks around the room. Sighs.Fine. I’ll take this one.What the fuck are you talking about Tony?Log in to Reply Tony August.16.2020 at 5:54 pm “Oh and there’s the fact that these Nordic nations are typically ethnically homogeneous. We don’t want people to start connecting dots here.”Usually the “they don’t have those pesky blacks” excuse is trotted out when someone notices how the most socialist countries in the western world are also the best ones to live in. This is the first time I’ve seen it used to explain the US’s COVID failure. So I’m just asking him to connect the dots because I’m super interested.Log in to Reply XM August.16.2020 at 7:25 pm Tony – “Nordic countries are best places to live in cuz socialism”Demographics and culture – “most of them aren’t as diverse as us, known to be cold and distant, and use restrictive immigration”Democrat voters – “we chose senile biden over socialist Bernie”Quick, name me 3 products made in Sweden without googling. Then do the same for America.See?Log in to Reply Tony August.16.2020 at 7:50 pm So you would like to argue that being the best place to live and producing the most products aren’t correlated? That’s interesting too!Log in to Reply XM August.16.2020 at 11:35 pm Wasn’t it obvious from the my post I’m arguing the opposite?Sweden is white as hell compared to America and their immigration is likely way more restrictive. You can’t work in some places in Canada if you can’t speak French. You really think these places are the BEST places to live in?Log in to Reply Tony August.17.2020 at 12:48 am Only by metrics we can all agree upon like life expectancy and self-reported happiness. I’m not sure that one of those metrics is average skin tone.Log in to Reply Bill Anderson August.18.2020 at 10:55 pm “…and their immigration is likely way more restrictive”Not likely, but far more restrictive. The nordic countries go by blood inheritance of citizenship. This means no “birthright citizenship”, and even getting married does not grant you citizenship. Even if you bring kids into it, they have to have their own applications to stay there, let alone obtain citizenship. It takes years as you have duration requirements as well as language and social classes and testing.For example, IIRC it is Sweden that does this, you have to maintain 5 years of continuous residence and qualification for temporary residency to get permanent status, then another 5 with more classes and testing to qualify for citizenship. Crimes can get you excluded, as can losing your job if that was why you were there the first place, or getting divorced if that is why.You can take the first social test in whatever language but also have to take a Swedish language test. That is just to get “permanent residency”. To get citizenship some five years later you need to take a more in depth social test – in Swedish – and a more in depth Swedish proficiency test. It might be Norway for the specifics but all of the Nordics basically do that with only slight variations on the actual tests as well as timelines.If you fled a country and are seeking refuge, and passed through any other country in the Dublin Convention, you don’t get to stay there and they will deny entry and/or ship you back to the first country in it that you entered.So yes, far, far more restrictive. Not even the Republicans have proposed as restrictive or extensive of a system as they have.Log in to Reply XM August.16.2020 at 7:15 pm Well Tony, science sez Latinos and blacks are vulnerable to covid because of higher rates of obesity, lung and heart disease in their community. They also tend to live in densely packed areas and public housing in dem controlled urban zone. Most covid deaths in ca are Latinos and the numbers jumped after protests. Surprise!Canada, which is ethnically homogeneous and is sparsely populated, is doing better than either us or mexico. Obviously a huge, diverse population spread out in huge territory with tons of international presence is not conducive to mitigating the spread. Elementary stuff, if you understand how a virus transmits. That’s why no one is opening up their borders libertarian style.Maybe science is racist. I’m a raging right winger so I think 2 + 2 = 4. Sorry for not fighting white supremacy.Log in to Reply Tony August.16.2020 at 7:49 pm Vulnerable populations are vulnerable, and that’s why we should cut welfare and capital gains taxes. Get new material.Log in to Reply XM August.16.2020 at 11:27 pm “Vulnerable populations are vulnerable”You were on the verge of making sense and then strayed to Tonyland again.Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.17.2020 at 12:14 am Small quibble. Canada is not ethnically homogenous. It’s like a small-scale America and very diverse.Montreal and Toronto are large urban centres. Montreal and Quebec have been hit hard.Log in to Reply Rufus The Monocled August.16.2020 at 5:47 pm With all due respect to Italy, but they did an excellent job corralling in the spread. The vast majority of cases/deaths was in the Lombardy region and over 75% of cases/deaths are in four regions in the heavily industrial north where there’s a large Chinese labour population (and tourists. I believe more Chinese flock to Italy than anywhere else in Europe) and pollution (smog).If you look at the numbers, they slowed it down way back in April/May.But yes to the masks. Italy, Spain, UK, Belgium, Germany and France are the biggest pussies about wearing masks but luckily in Germany and the UK there are protests now. In North America, the most retarded regions for masks are: Oregon, California, Michigan, Ohio, NJ, NY, Ontario and Quebec. I’m sure I’m missing a couple.Just to show you how utterly absurd it’s become, British Columbia asked Seth Fucken Rogan and Ryan Reynolds (two natives of the province) to convince BCers to wear masks. One is a mid-wit moronic wokester and the other is Deadpool. BC officials insult the intelligence of Canadians because they’re pant shitting and too incompetent and cowardly to let this thing run its course.The masks are just about the most useless measure we mandate. I just read a few more studies that further cement its futility.Log in to Reply Sufia_ash August.17.2020 at 5:34 am Hi everyone……..Making money online more than $15k just by doing simple work from home. I have received $18376 last month. Its an easy and simple job to do and its earnings are much better than regular office job and even a little child can do this and earns money. 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Accidentally? Did you pay attention?
fell there as did Italy and Spain, which allowed for a higher number of deaths
everything seems if you forget about the dead
I see the left-hander is suffering with the numbers.
The arrogance and condescension of this article is suffocating.Lies and distortions are an insult How did Sweden dare rationally with the virus?
covid-19 is very dangerous
Is this the new word of fashion? I have been listening to Dr. Tegnell since April (he one of the opinion doctors who did not speak as if the global and transparent end of the virus here staying and acting accordingly.We only thought arrogantly that we can simply micromanage) and it turns out to me that they had a greater concept of how productive this is to technify than the rest of the global, they wouldn’t let the other apocalyptic idiotic models leading to the locks.
I’m sorry, but that we quarantined the healthy for the first time in history is NOT a strategy.
If anything, we overreact on the basis of science. Sweden has followed a hundred years of established virology.
Look, here’s what I think. No one needs countries that, shamefully, have locked up and then decreed idiotic masks, to have been FARED through a small Nordic country that has had the courage not to accompany the flock.
I have been saying since April that Sweden will smile in the long term What other people do not put through their thick skulls is that a) is not a festival and b) Sweden will be more or less in line with all nations, that they will not traumatize their citizens and their economy, that is, did not inspire non-dharma-related measures rooted in the precautionary principle , other healthy people were thought to be a risk to the population due to the asymptomatic angle that has NEVER been tested.They’ve preserved their civil liberties.
Sweden has adhered to science. We copy/adhere and stick to orders.There is never any justification for a blockade. Therefore, we are the ones who made a mistake.Not Sweden.
I regret not yet noting that 80% of deaths in Sweden (90% of deaths in Norway occurred in the age group of 70 years or older) came here from retirement homes (which admitted to spoiling incompetent cowards in New York/NJ/MI and elsewhere, adding Quebec City).
NY, NY, Qc, Spain, the United Kingdom, Belgium and Italy had higher mortality rates than Sweden, while France and the Netherlands were better.
All locked up by the Suède.Es true that Sweden caused more deaths even when you removed the retirement homes than its neighbours, but don’t forget that Norway and Denmark were close to the blockade and lifted it early enough and never imposed masks.
It can therefore be logically concluded that the fact that the lockdowns have had FAR more accidental consequences than otherwise (which has probably led to more deaths, for example by suicides and lack of remedy and, well, we know the dance), Sweden has been saved.
As for the economy, well, a) component of its slowdown due to the decline of industry among all yb countries) they did not spend their national wealth on systems necessarily destined to corrupt others so that they would not rebel.play, another point of fact, the obscene “non-essential/essential” game.
I think they generally approached it with more explanations and intelligence than we in North America.
And greater than NZ/AUS. What these countries are doing is appalling.
We count the dead, you know, so instead of saying that Sweden obviously had fewer deaths due to other reasons due to closures, why not provide information about it?
This is not the first time in history that other healthy people have been quarantined.A funny point of communication that an idiot gave you on a blog.Your civil liberties have not been violated, the freedom to endanger your community, and you probably haven’t even been imprisoned once and for all the times you risked their lives anyway.Get a perspective. Someone might start to think that libertarians only care about their private and insignificant freedoms and anyone else’s right to life.
I wouldn’t want to make unreliable statements if you don’t link your observations of the pandemic reaction to even more tribal partisan nonsense.Stop being a monkey. Just read without passion.Possibly, trumpism is not the only true philosophy of ultimate life, difficult to understand.
This is not a topic of discussion. It’s never been done.Can you tell me about all the primary pandemics in the afterlife that go back to Athens/Rome/Venice and, more recently, the 20th century, where we told other people to stay home and not go to work?I don’t know any. I know we quarantined those in poor health because, you know, that’s what you have to do, but shut down an economy?It’s never been done. Worse, we have told an express component of the economy to pay the value, i.e. places to eat, the hotel industry and small businesses.Large corporations considered “essential” have remained open.
If you can’t see the evil stupidity there, that’s your problem.
YesTony.Je I am absolutely incapable of deductive reasoning and critical thinking based on the information you have.I just read “blogs” and then I come here and repeat what others tell me.
Dude, an insulting clown.
The point is that the lockouts were a case where the cure was worse than the disease.
This is the biggest overreaction in history.
Oh, and the officials.
They stayed home and were paid in full, while others had to starve and be thrown into government systems to survive.
Literally, all those can get fucked up and die for what they did.
Let me say I have the urge to say we’re overreacting.This is the paradox of the public aptitude response: if you do it correctly, it seems like an overreaction.Think about how crazy it would be if we took even more competitive prevention measures.and hardly anyone would die.
A little mistake.
Well, anyway. I was okay with that for 30 days, but then it got out of hand. By the time knowledge began (including treatments, deaths, etc.), we deserve to have rotated.
Instead, we double.
But we’ve rotated and, unsurprisingly, the instances start to rise again.We are living the consequences of the pivot.
Again, this is not a mistake, it would possibly seem counterintuition, that things look less like a crisis, the more successful the participation efforts.We simply do not have access to the universe in which, say, the last Ebola The epidemic has become uncontrollable, because we take the obligatory measures to involve it.
No, we didn’t rotate. We had no selection because the blockade had a devastating effect with accidental consequences.
The theory of elimination is very much alive.
Try to stay awake.
You’re blindly wrong. Of course, the maximum pandemics ended up killing a large number of other people and leaving only immunity (the Plague of Justinian, for example).Obviously, it’s not just his policy preference, but he thinks that’s what we can do.
The black plague was probably the first time a pandemic was controlled by quarantine.It’s not just people in poor health who were quarantined.In some places, the boats had to wait a month before letting anyone through to make sure the other people on board were healthy.
Spanish influenza, which killed about one hundred million, may have killed many more if no action had been taken and were very similar to existing COVID guidelines.Public meetings were banned, schools closed, others wearing masks.
His total political technique is to let the virus kill as many other people as possible and believe it will be smart for the economy.
None of those LOCKDOWNS examples.
Throughout history, the main thing has been to quarantine the sick.
Venice and Genoa that quarantine ships arriving from Asia (for 40 days “quaranta giorni”) are NOT blocked.Business empires like those NEVER because they were suicidal.
This “save everyone” trick is impractical and, in this specific case, we would have been sensible to isolate the vulnerable as we knew that this virus (has it ever been proven through the way it is a virus?) It attacks the vulnerable.We hid other healthy people and told others to snuggle up and not make a living.
With regard to Spanish influenza, it is common to surgically close hot spots temporarily where there are epidemics, masks were also challenged at the time (and never proved effective) and that is why scientists began to examine their effectiveness.have shown that their effectiveness is inconclusive and in fact reject studies published in 2020, as they remain unconvincing in relation to the evidence framework of all previous studies and so far.
Once again, it confuses this with all the blockade of an economy.This did not take place with Asian and Russian influenza.
I didn’t know other people would just assume that the locks are general, as you just demonstrated.
You know what else, Tony? We gave the worst classes imaginable for children.
I’m not sure I’m jerking off. We haven’t blocked the whole economy once, and I didn’t advocate for it.
I would say that an economic recession is inevitable, no matter how we respond, and the deeper and longer the pandemic, the worse the economy.Containment measures must be taken. It’s a false promise if someone says they can do the opposite.
People were already retiring and the economy was going to suffer a blow, but at least it would be biological and voluntary.
What member of the government then intervened to prevent other people from running while playing ‘choose what you should and shouldn’t have’, right?It’s not a moderate response, but I’m willing to give it up, assuming they would turn temporarily once they saw the destruction.Instead, it seems to be a “go to” measure.
Closure, shall say, delays the immunity of herds and may have made the pandemic “deeper and deeper.”
“Spanish influenza, which killed perhaps one hundred million, may have killed many others if no action had been taken and were very similar to existing COVID guidelines.Public meetings were prohibited, schools closed, others wore masks.
There were other things going on, like, a little thing known as World War I (although we didn’t call it until the past we slept).Many things were happening because of the restrictions of war, not the virus.were closed, they were short-lived. ISTR being the longest for a few weeks.Even at the IIRC in Baltimore, where they were hit hard and temporarily (giggity), they fell and retreated in a week and a part, and even today, the decrease in cases is attributed to an increase based on herbs that to measures of estrangation like these.defeated to count.”
It’s funny how other people see this disease as a national political career.
I checked the Covid-19 nucleotide sequence.
I am recurring.
A U G C
Obviously it’s a code
Americans U Go China!
I knew they were making plans for something.
Covid’s death in
Sweden – 5783 NY – 32,901
One of them has masks absolutely blocked and imposed, while the other allows you to order beer without ordering “real food”.
There are 10 million more people in Sweden,5783 deaths in sweden means that the country has felt the sting slightly despite an absolutely irritating technique in its covid response and now report virtually no new cases or deaths.The economy is slow despite avoiding the blockade, it is just an indication of Europe’s island economy and shit.
They have more deaths than their northern neighbors, but the overall death rate is low, and if they have beaten the herd immunity game, they have saved many long-term lives.
Why don’t other people recognize Sweden as (at least) prudent success?This country has never had Italy or New York despite the rainy dream of all the anti-masks.Donald Trump probably said something great about them. Oh, and there is the Fact that those northern nations are sometimes ethnically homogeneous.We don’t need other people to start connecting dots here.
Oh, please attach the dots, how are the?
/ look in the room. Sighs.
Okay, okay. I’m going to keep this one.
What the hell are you talking about Tony?
“Ah, and there’s the fact that those northern nations are ethnically homogeneous.We don’t need other people to start connecting dots here.”
Usually, the excuse don’t have those annoying is introduced when someone realizes that the countries of maximum socialization in the Western world are also the highest productive places to live.This is the first time I’ve noticed COVID’s failure.in the United States, so I’m just asking you to place the dots because I’m so interested.
Tony – “Nordic countries are the places to live in socialism”
Demographics and culture: “Most of them are not as varied as we are, known for being a bloody and remote and restrictive immigration”
Democratic electorate: “We chose the senile biden over socialist Bernie”
Quick, call me 3 products made in Sweden looking on Google.Do the same for America.
See?
So would you like to say that being the position to live and produce the maximum products is not correlated?He’s attractive too!
Wasn’t it obvious from my message that I was the opposite?
Sweden is as white as hell compared to the United States and its immigration is probably much more restrictive.You can’t paint in safe places in Canada if you don’t speak French.Do you think those places are the BEST places to live?
It is only through parameters that we can all agree on, such as life expectancy and self-formed happiness.I’m sure any of those characteristics are the middle thing.
«… And their immigration is much more restrictive.”
Unlikely, but much more restrictive. The Nordic countries pass through the legacy of the blood of the citizenry.This means that there is no “birth citizenship” and even getting married does not grant you citizenship.Even if you take the young people there, they have to apply for theirs to stay, we go citizenship.It takes years because you have lasting needs, as well as language and social courses and exams.
For example, the IIRC is Sweden that does this, you have to five years of continuous apartment qualification and transitional apartment to download permanent status, then five more with more categories and tests to be eligible for citizenship. You can lose your homework if that’s why you were there in the first place, or divorce if that’s the reason.
You can take the first social check in any language, but you can also make a Swedish check.It’s just to get “permanent residence.” To obtain citizenship five years later, you must perform a deeper social verification, in Swedish, and a deeper Swedish professed professed verification.It may only be Norway for details, however, all Nordic countries do this with only small diversifications in real verification as well as in the time frame.
If you have fled a country and are a refugee, and have been through some other Dublin Convention country, you cannot stay there and you will be denied access and / or sent back to the first country you entered.
So yes, much more restrictive. Even Republicans have proposed a formula as restrictive or extensive as they have.
Well, Tony, science says Latinos and blacks are vulnerable to covitude because of the high rates of obesity, lung and central diseases in their community.They also have a tendency to live in densely populated spaces and social housing in controlled urban spaces through demonstrations.Covid’s deaths in California are Latino and the numbers increased after the protests.
Canada, which is ethnically homogeneous and sparsely populated, makes it larger than us or Mexico.Clearly, a massive and varied population spread over a vast territory with tons of foreign presence is conducive to mitigating spread.Basic things, if you perceive how a virus is why no one opens its borders in the libertarian way.
Maybe science is racist. I’m a rabid right winger, so I think 2 2 x 4.I’m sorry, I didn’t fight white supremacy.
Vulnerable populations are vulnerable, so we reduce taxes on social benefits and capital gains.Get new equipment.
“Vulnerable populations are vulnerable”
You’re about to make sense, and then you walked away from Tonyland again.
Small objection. Canada is ethnically homogeneous. It is like an America on a small scale and very varied.
Montreal and Toronto are the main urban centers. Montreal and Quebec City were greatly affected.
With all due respect to Italy, however, they did a wonderful task in spreading. The vast majority of cases/deaths have occurred in the Lombardy region and more than 75% of cases/deaths occur in 4 regions of the north of great commercial activity where there is a giant population of Chinese workers (and tourists).I think more Chinese are coming to Italy than to Europe) and pollutants (smog).
If you look at the numbers, they slowed it down in April/May.
But yes to the mask. Italy, Spain, UK, Belgium, Germany and France are the largest cats dressed in masks, but fortunately in Germany and the UK, there are now demonstrations., California, Michigan, Ohio, New Jersey, New York, Ontario and Quebec City.I’m sure I’m missing a couple.
Just to show him how absurd he has become, British Columbia asked Seth Fucken Rogan and Ryan Reynolds (two natives of the province) to convince the BCers to wear masks.One is a silly half-wokester and the other is Deadpool.officials are insulting Canadians’ intelligence because they are shitting and too incompetent and cowardly to let this run their course.
Masks are the unnecessary maximum measure we prescribe.I just read some other studies that extract their futility.
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So far, we’ve recovered.
A certain percentage of the population is still working, a giant proportion of them are released on bail or in permanent unemployment.
The crisis is economic if we continue with this BS virus.
Atlas Shrugged or Orwell make their choice, come on
They didn’t make a mistake. They made knowledge-based decisions rather than irrational concerns and exaggerations.Just as SARS 1 has “disappeared” (i.e., it has achieved collective immunity at a low rate of infection; no, we have not “killed” it due to physical remoteness and masks), so will SARS 2 if we allow it.
In addition, the rest of the world will revel in deaths similar to those of Sweden, a little more …this will also increase above major deaths caused by government closures.winner in the end, while our “cautious approach” can kill more than we saved.
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